Major upset in women's tourney

I should have taken my buddy's bet on this. He said he'd give me $100 bucks for each round further from the championship game Tennessee gets knocked out, with noone paying out if they lost the championship game. I would have had to pay him $500 if they won it all. This first round loss would have won $500 for me. I should have taken him on it because I knew Tenn wouldn't make it all the way! *smacking myself in the head till I bleed*

[JRutledge]

Wow, you got me by a few years. Wooden teams went undefeated in 72 and 73.

And the point being made is upsets happen every year in the Men's tournament. This is the first year ever that high seeds in multiple regions made it to the Sweet 16. All but one region has the 1, 2, 3 and 4 seeds advance. The other region had a 5 beat a 4 seed. That happens almost every year in women’s basketball or the final for has mostly top seeds. Not very common that a team not expected to make the Final Four or from a mid-major conference makes it to the Final Four or Regional Championship. If UConn wins the NC this year, it will be the 4th time in recent history that an undefeated team wins the NC. That has not come close to happening in over 30 years on the Men's side. And it never happened in the current seeding structure. When Wooden was doing it, they did not have to beat teams from other regions to make the Final Four.

Once again, very little talk about the actual games or plays, just a debate about relevance. If you have to talk about relevance and not the game, that proves the point I been making all along. And if you do not want people to comment in that way, just post a thread about the game and leave it at that.

Peace

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The other region had a 5 beat a 4 seed.

Thanks to my Boilermakers!!!!

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

Thanks to my Boilermakers!!!!

Stupid Boilermakers!

This is a huge upset in the Women's game. Good for Ball State. And Tenn will be back next year, I'm sure.

Rutledge - just quit reading any of the threads on Women's basketball. Every time someone posts something you have to turn it into your argument about relevance. Then you keep bringing the thread back to your argument aboaut relevance. If it isn't relevant to you, shut the he!! up and let others discuss it if they want to.

Again - congrats to Ball State.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Rutledge - just quit reading any of the threads on Women's basketball. Every time someone posts something you have to turn it into your argument about relevance. Then you keep bringing the thread back to your argument aboaut relevance. If it isn't relevant to you, shut the he!! up and let others discuss it if they want to.

Juulie has been getting huffy and puffy over this topic for years. She got upset when it was discussed on the chat room that was developed for the tournament the last couple of years. She went out of her way to claim that she was not excited about the Men's tournament but the Women's tournament was what she was excited about (and no one asked about what we thought). And she claimed one of the reasons she left was because people put down women's or girl's basketball. If you do not want what you perceive negative comments, then do not bring up people's names and do not comment in a place you claim is hostile to your opinion. If you have not noticed, I will say what I want and do not care what others feel about those comments. And if I do not feel like talking about something, I do not bring it up. See how easy that is to do?

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Stupid Boilermakers!

This is a huge upset in the Women's game. Good for Ball State. And Tenn will be back next year, I'm sure.

Rutledge - just quit reading any of the threads on Women's basketball. Every time someone posts something you have to turn it into your argument about relevance. Then you keep bringing the thread back to your argument aboaut relevance. If it isn't relevant to you, shut the he!! up and let others discuss it if they want to.

Again - congrats to Ball State.

To be fair, the OP is the one that brought Jeff into this thread. Something tells me he wouldn't have posted at all otherwise.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

To be fair, the OP is the one that brought Jeff into this thread. Something tells me he wouldn't have posted at all otherwise.

I'm surprised he opened the thread in the first place. Otherwise he wouldn't have seen his name.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

To be fair, the OP is the one that brought Jeff into this thread. Something tells me he wouldn't have posted at all otherwise.

Right.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm surprised he opened the thread in the first place. Otherwise he wouldn't have seen his name.

It would have likely been the only time I would have seen the news on the upset. I was kind of hoping that UConn got beat.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

To be fair, the OP is the one that brought Jeff into this thread. Something tells me he wouldn't have posted at all otherwise.

OK, in that case I apologize Jeff. I didn't realize that you were drug into this kicking and screaming. What I get for not reading the entire thread first.

[M&M Guy]

For the life of me, I just can't remember the second verse to Kumbya...

But I do feel all warm and squishy inside with all the love being thrown around.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

OK, in that case I apologize Jeff. I didn't realize that you were drug into this kicking and screaming. What I get for not reading the entire thread first.

Someone does not have to be dragged to do anything. But if you start off by complaining, then do not get mad when someone addresses your complaint.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

For the life of me, I just can't remember the second verse to Kumbya...

But I do feel all warm and squishy inside with all the love being thrown around.

That's the seafood you had last night.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Juulie has been getting huffy and puffy over this topic for years. She got upset when it was discussed on the chat room that was developed for the tournament the last couple of years. She went out of her way to claim that she was not excited about the Men's tournament but the Women's tournament was what she was excited about (and no one asked about what we thought).

I just went out of my way to say that the beginning of the men's tournament wasn't the high point of the year. Women's basketball wasn't the only issue I raised, btw. Mostly I was just trying to razz Nevada a little.

I mostly don't get huffy and puffy about people disliking women's ball. I do get way past frustrated when that dislike turns into belittling women and girls. Which you never did, Jeff, btw, but others did.

Also, I'm perfectly willing to disagree about which is more difficult to ref, women's or men's, but in the past it's always ended up with mud-slinging and flaming and I didn't just go away from that, but tried to defend myself. That was my mistake, and I left when I realized that there was going to be no way I could change the culture or tenor of this board to actively omit that stuff.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And she claimed one of the reasons she left was because people put down women's or girl's basketball.

There were plenty of put downs of women's or girl's basketball, but that wasn't the reason I left, but I"m not going to go into that here. It's just not a constructive topic.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you do not want what you perceive negative comments, then do not bring up people's names and do not comment in a place you claim is hostile to your opinion.

I was simply responding to your comment that there weren't upsets in the women's tournament. I was simply pointing out that while you may or may not be right overall, here was a big upset that happened very, very shortly after your comment. Just kinda interesting.

If you have not noticed, I will say what I want and do not care what others feel about those comments. And if I do not feel like talking about something, I do not bring it up. See how easy that is to do?

I certainly don't mind you expressing your opinions. But it IS frustrating when you claim to be dragged into something that actually, you started. Just saying...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Also, I'm perfectly willing to disagree about which is more difficult to ref, women's or men's, but in the past it's always ended up with mud-slinging and flaming and I didn't just go away from that, but tried to defend myself. That was my mistake, and I left when I realized that there was going to be no way I could change the culture or tenor of this board to actively omit that stuff.

There were plenty of put downs of women's or girl's basketball, but that wasn't the reason I left, but I"m not going to go into that here. It's just not a constructive topic.

OK. I was only referencing things you had said. I am sure there was more to the situation than what you said. I do tend to understand context. And it is certainly true that the comments were not just from me.

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

I was simply responding to your comment that there weren't upsets in the women's tournament. I was simply pointing out that while you may or may not be right overall, here was a big upset that happened very, very shortly after your comment. Just kinda interesting.

I would understand if I said, "There never…ever is ever an upset in women's basketball." That is the farthest thing from what I have said. I said that there is not the same level of upsets as compared to the Men's side. And without getting into much detail, the information is out there. And I have won a few pools simply by picking mostly the top seeds and winning. Last year was the first time in Men's Tourney history that all top seeds made the Final Four. It is not unusual that the Men's top seeds may not make the Final Four. That was really the point I was making. That has nothing to do with putting down Women's basketball. That is stating things they talk about on ESPN all the time.

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

I certainly don't mind you expressing your opinions. But it IS frustrating when you claim to be dragged into something that actually, you started. Just saying...

Juulie, I did not start the thread, you did. I did not come here saying "See I was right." And if you did not mention my name, I would not have said a word. And after this thread is over, I likely will not comment again until maybe the Final Four, which I sometimes watch because nothing else is going on (I am not a big early season baseball fan).

[Raymond]

Were there any upsets Monday?