Double Whistle sitch...........

[zebra44]

I'm C at table during inbounds under hoop by H after made hoop by V (no kidding). Small gym. Inbound pass is taken by H team guard and play advances right at me. T is below FT line. Train wreck as (my opinion) V defender slides in front of ball handler. It is within 5 ft. of me. I put fist up and give the big block sell. I turn to table (2 ft. away) and report. As I begin moving toward becoming new lead I pass V's bench and hear V's HC say, "He's got a charge". Oh, sh!t....I turn to see T coming toward me. I never heard his whistle (Loud AND small gym) or saw him in the picture. "I've got a charge", he said. I tell him "The play is coming at me, I'm right there"...he says "Yes but I'm trail". He is also the R, he says to go with double foul since we both think we're right. We inbound with POI and away we go. I realize that trail should have this but does proximity matter? The crash was severe enough that I wanted to make sure A whistle was blown. Had T passed I would have looked like an idiot for not blowing this since they almost landed on me. Or had I momentarily withheld the tweet waiting for T it may have appeared like my call would have been a mental coin flip. Whenever we pregame we discuss a double whistle, and in the case of a block/PC situation we will defer to the L , since the play is usually going towards him. We are not a regular crew, tournament time mixes officials up. The T (and R) has a lot more 3 man work than me. Input?

[Adam]

Blow your whistle, and hold your signal until you're sure T doesn't have anything.

Here's the kicker, since you both gave the prelim, it would have been too late for either of you to give in.

[SWMOzebra]

Always a good idea to make eye contact with at least 1 partner before heading to the table to make sure they understand what call you've made and where you want the ball put into play, FTs, shooter, etc. I know you were tableside and it's just a quick turn to give your info to them, but I might suggest slowing down a bit. Loud, small gyms make it more difficult to hear the double whistle....but looking up at the T might have prevented what happened next.

Snaqs is right....whether you made eye contact or not with your P, the prelim signal by both of you forced the double foul call.

[fullor30]

I've watched so many games this weekend, forget which one. There was a double whistle and both lead and trail had a player control call. Both reported #, they had no idea the other had the call also. Right call, just a liitle quick on lead's part IMHO as it was coming out of trail's primary. Lead looked like he did the dramatic TV 'sell' and got a little caught up in the moment.

Easy to do.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I've watched so many games this weekend, forget which one. There was a double whistle and both lead and trail had a player control call. Both reported #, they had no idea the other had the call also. Right call, just a liitle quick on lead's part IMHO as it was coming out of trail's primary. Lead looked like he did the dramatic TV 'sell' and got a little caught up in the moment.

Easy to do.

I was involved in this exact thing this year, as Trail tableside. I just turned around to report, as Lead walked around the players, opposite table (I didn't see it), and reported.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I was involved in this exact thing this year, as Trail tableside. I just turned around to report, as Lead walked around the players, opposite table (I didn't see it), and reported.

If there is one thing I do right, it's hold my whistle. I'm very aware of my partners, at least when there are double whistles. I've had the same thing happen and a few have had tunnel vision, never even realizing someone else made a call.

[mick]

Originally Posted by zebra44

Train wreck as (my opinion) V defender slides in front of ball handler. It is within 5 ft. of me. I put fist up and give the big block sell. I turn to table (2 ft. away) and report. As I begin moving toward becoming new lead I pass V's bench and hear V's HC say, "He's got a charge".
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Whenever we pregame we discuss a double whistle, and in the case of a block/PC situation we will defer to the L , since the play is usually going towards him. We are not a regular crew, tournament time mixes officials up. The T (and R) has a lot more 3 man work than me. Input?

You had two players in your lap on the far side from Trail. Your call.

Discussing double-whistles, in my opinion, is less important than discussing partner recognition. Once you recognize your partner, you can defer to partner or you can talk to partner.

[zebra44]

Every trip after made hoop there was probably 6 players (3&3) in the backcourt. Traps in corner away from T on baseline happened a lot. When I was C I would linger a bit to help T. Sounds like you were there, Mick

[mick]

Originally Posted by zebra44

Every trip after made hoop there was probably 6 players (3&3) in the backcourt. Traps in corner away from T on baseline happened a lot. When I was C I would linger a bit to help T. Sounds like you were there, Mick

We've been on the same page before.
You were fighting an *ego* the just had to call sumpthin', and he kicked it right in front of you.
(He was probably hoping that nobody saw his signal.)

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by zebra44

Every trip after made hoop there was probably 6 players (3&3) in the backcourt. Traps in corner away from T on baseline happened a lot. When I was C I would linger a bit to help T. Sounds like you were there, Mick

Let the players bring you up court. Don't officiate a "position," officiate where the players are.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by zebra44

Every trip after made hoop there was probably 6 players (3&3) in the backcourt. Traps in corner away from T on baseline happened a lot. When I was C I would linger a bit to help T. Sounds like you were there, Mick

That's fine. I sounds as if the call was rightly yours.

A comment on officiating in the backcourt:
I can't stand it when I'm Trail and the C sticks around in the backcourt to "help" me in a 2 on 2 situation. I don't need or want that help, and he is leaving our Lead with SIX players to watch. That's too many for one official. We should strive to divide the players 4, 3, 3. Too many people are preoccupied with where the ball is. They need to learn to watch their area first and adapt to where the players are second.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's fine. I sounds as if the call was rightly yours.

A comment on officiating in the backcourt:
I can't stand it when I'm Trail and the C sticks around in the backcourt to "help" me in a 2 on 2 situation. I don't need or want that help, and he is leaving our Lead with SIX players to watch. That's too many for one official. We should strive to divide the players 4, 3, 3. Too many people are preoccupied with where the ball is. They need to learn to watch their area first and adapt to where the players are second.

Sounds like a perfect talking point for the pre-game.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's fine. I sounds as if the call was rightly yours.

A comment on officiating in the backcourt:
I can't stand it when I'm Trail and the C sticks around in the backcourt to "help" me in a 2 on 2 situation. I don't need or want that help, and he is leaving our Lead with SIX players to watch. That's too many for one official. We should strive to divide the players 4, 3, 3. Too many people are preoccupied with where the ball is. They need to learn to watch their area first and adapt to where the players are second.

Agreed.