SEC tourney

[Rich]

Originally Posted by HoopsRefJunior

2009-2010 schedules for all SEC officials (except 3) just got better.

I tell ya, the lead gets a travel correctly and the trail, who had just administered the inbound, overrules him from near the division line when the contact would actually be facing the lead.

Anyway, as a Tennessee alum (grad school), it doesn't surprise me Tennessee lost. They always make bad decisions at the end of games.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I tell ya, the lead gets a travel correctly and the trail, who had just administered the inbound, overrules him from near the division line when the contact would actually be facing the lead.

Doesn't the trail have the play as it's leaving his area, headed toward the basket?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Doesn't the trail have the play as it's leaving his area, headed toward the basket?

On a block/charge, sure. It was in the T's primary.

But the L definitely saw travel first and was clearly right. Both signaled. The T pretty much took over and went to the table without enough of a pause to talk to the L.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Doesn't the trail have the play as it's leaving his area, headed toward the basket?

Off a throw-in, I'd say lead has a better look, given how fast everything happens.

Trail has an awfully quick transition from administering the throw-in to covering the play afterwards.

Lead, in that case, likely sees everything develop right in front of him.

My $0.02

[Rich]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Off a throw-in, I'd say lead has a better look, given how fast everything happens.

Trail has an awfully quick transition from administering the throw-in to covering the play afterwards.

Lead, in that case, likely sees everything develop right in front of him.

My $0.02

And I agree with this. The perception I had was that the T was a LONG way away from this play and it was, essentially, right in the L's face.

[BktBallRef]

I can't agree that the travel clearly came first. I thought it was a very difficult call with each official having an opposite angle. There was a travel but there was also a foul. Did the foul cause the travel? Very possible. Tough situation.

However, the L is the only officials who made a 5 second count while visibly swiping 4 times.

[Juulie Downs]

So the call that we're calling the "phantom foul" by Tennesee against Miss St., okay, we all agree bad call, but what specifically did he do wrong? Looked to me like center/trail made the call, right? Wasn't he just totally straight-lined? Was lead in a position to come in and give information? Should C/T have decided "I'm not sure, so I'm not going to call it..."?

This was a good game up till the last minute or so with what everyone has discussed. I thought the crew lacked some serious communication towards the end, especially with the clock issues. It was a good learning lesson, plus a little rough for me because I was getting text messages from friends (non-officials) who were bewildered (and cussing). And this is from people who have no interest in the SEC because we live in Big 12 and Mo Valley areas. (Although, I think the interest was in hoping MSU would lose so Creighton could get in, *SOBBING*)

[Larks]

Mississippi St. v. Tennesssee - Last 6 Minutes
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[Adam]

And in high school, you would not take the time off either way, nor would you put it back on. I believe the rule is that the clock starts on the touch (as opposed to a legal touch), so a short amount coming off would be acceptable as it is not a timer's error.

Taking it off in high school is impossible, by rule, here because there's no way you can know to take .3 seconds off.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And in high school, you would not take the time off either way, nor would you put it back on. I believe the rule is that the clock starts on the touch (as opposed to a legal touch), so a short amount coming off would be acceptable as it is not a timer's error. Taking it off in high school is impossible, by rule, here because there's no way you can know to take .3 seconds off.

We've been told that on a throwinthat's kicked, time should not come off the clock, and if it did, that we're supposed to have the clock reset to what it was before the illegal touch after the throwin. We're also supposed to not chop in the clock on such a play, tough not to do, it's almost automatic.

Tonight, watching a few of my colleagues, two are NCAA Division I offcials, do a state semifinal game, a player tapped the ball on the way up on the opening jump ball. The umpire properly whistled the violation, and had the timekeeper reset the clock to 8:00, it had moved to 7:58. At first I thought, "What?", but then I realized that this was like a kicked ball on the throwin. The tap was illegal, and the clock is supposed to start on a legal tap, thus the clock gets reset .

NFHS 5-9-2: If play is started or resumed by a jump, the clock shall be started when the tossed ball is legally touched.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

We've been told that on a throwinthat's kicked, time should not come off the clock, and if it did, that we're supposed to have the clock reset to what it was before the illegal touch after the throwin. We're also supposed to not chop in the clock on such a play, tough not to do, it's almost automatic.

Tonight, watching a few of my colleagues, two are NCAA Division I offcials, do a state semifinal game, a player tapped the ball on the way up on the opening jump ball. The umpire properly whistled the violation, and had the timekeeper reset the clock to 8:00, it had moved to 7:58. At first I thought, "What?", but then I realized that this was like a kicked ball on the throwin. The tap was illegal, and the clock is supposed to start on a legal tap, thus the clock gets reset .

NFHS 5-9-2: If play is started or resumed by a jump, the clock shall be started when the tossed ball is legally touched.

Discussed previously, too! Stealing the tap

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Tonight, watching a few of my colleagues, two are NCAA Division I offcials, do a state semifinal game,

Is this common in your area???

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Tonight, watching a few of my colleagues, two are NCAA Division I officials, do a state semifinal game...

Originally Posted by eyezen

Is this common in your area???

We have about 300 officials on our local IAABO board, through which our commissioner assigns us middle school through high school varsity games, and a few AAU games in the spring. Of our 300 members, I believe that there are three that do NCAA Division I games. We also have about a dozen who do NCAA Division II, NCAA Division III, and junior college games.