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throw-in bounce pass hits line
On a throw in, the thrower makes a bounce pass along
the out of bounds line, and the ball bounces on the line, then into the court, where it is caught by a teammate of the thrower. Has the thrower commited a violation? I say yes because of the red text below, but I have never seen it called. I passed on it in a game last night and a player questioned me. 8-6-2 The throw-in starts when the ball is at the disposal of a player of the team entitled to the throw-in. The thrower shall release the ball on a pass directly into the court, except as in 7-5-7, within five seconds after the throw-in starts. The throw-in pass shall touch another player (inbounds or out of bounds) on the court before going out of bounds untouched. The throw-in pass shall not touch a teammate while it is on the out-of-bounds side of the throw-in boundary plane. |
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rsl - the part in red is your answer, if you remember "the court" is considered inbounds, and the boundary lines are considered OOB.
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But there is no rule about a throwin player bouncing the ball out of bounds. So I would think that the bounce pass (which bounced on the line hence is out of bounds) is not a violation. Comments please. One could also discuss the situation when the ball accidently rolls inbound after the throw in has teh ball?
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Devils advocate: what if it's deemed to not be a pass? A fumble is not a pass.
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7-5-7
A throw-in anywhere along the end line after a goal or an awarded goal for basket interference or goaltending by a defensive player, as in 9-12 Penalty 1, the team not credited with the score shall make a throw-in from the end of the court where the goal was made and from any point outside the end line. a. Any player of the team may make a direct throw-in or he/she may pass the ball along the end line to a teammate(s) outside the boundary. |
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A player fumbling the ball inbounds would be treated just like a player stepping over the line with the ball during a throwin. It's not what he did, it's what he failed to do.
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As long as the thrower has one foot over the spot, the ball bouncing outside the spot would not be a violation.
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We had a discussion about this, and I should have worded it differently. If it bounces away from where he can reach while maintaining his spot, it's a violation. You could argue that they still have the opportunity to request a timeout if the 5 second count has not expired, but given the NFHS rule/case/interp on a free thrower fumbling the ball away, I have to think they want us to call this violation immediately.
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I actually had this happen to me in a B JV game I did this year while I was being evaluated by an observer in the stands. He was in the 5th row center court, and I administered the throw in right in front of him. A1 attempts to inbounds to A2, but the ball hits the sideline before A2 (or anyone else) touches it.
Tweet- "throw in violation- Red ball". That was it. Despite it being the rare occurrance, it seemed pretty logical to me- "hmm, ball hit the line, line is OOB- violation" BTW, the observer gave me a great evaluation, complete with a specific reference to that play and two thumbs up to me for knowing the rule. I was just happy that I didn't kick the call. End of personal horn-tooting... Z |
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