Does time need to come off the clock on TO?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by CoachP

B1 gains possesion
Timer starts clock
Coach calls time out
Official blows whistle
It's not hard to believe the horn would go off in 6/10ths either.

I agree.

If in the OP, the Official knows and the Timer knows a time out is coming....but yet the timer does not get the clock started and then stopped within 6/10ths....and the horn goes off.....game over?

Unless I have definite knowledge as to how much time should have expired, I can't put any time back on the clock. And I'm not going to guess.

[jearef]

Unless we are dealing with a sitch where the timer starts the clock when he should not have, it is difficult for me to imagine any situation where we would have "definite knowledge" of a timing mistake in tenths of a second.

One poster has suggested that perhaps all of this could have taken place in .2 seconds. Although I could certainly be wrong, I just can't see that happening. I'd be willing to bet that we could ask a timer to start and then stop the clock as quickly as possible, and he couldn't do it in .2 seconds. My guess is that the timer in this case did a good job. I don't know how you could justify any adjustment to the clock under the given circumstances.

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by jearef

Unless we are dealing with a sitch where the timer starts the clock when he should not have, it is difficult for me to imagine any situation where we would have "definite knowledge" of a timing mistake in tenths of a second.

One poster has suggested that perhaps all of this could have taken place in .2 seconds. Although I could certainly be wrong, I just can't see that happening. I'd be willing to bet that we could ask a timer to start and then stop the clock as quickly as possible, and he couldn't do it in .2 seconds. My guess is that the timer in this case did a good job. I don't know how you could justify any adjustment to the clock under the given circumstances.

Having run a clock, I can say that 0.2 is unlikely, even with the hand held device. On my stop watch just now, the shortest time I could do is 0.18 secs with the most common being 0.23 secs.

[ma_ref]

Temporarily forgetting about the argument made for the amount of time necessary for a player to secure control of the ball versus when the clock starts, anybody think about the obvious point of how long it takes the coach to actually say "time out"?

- Clock doesn't start until a player touches the ball after the missed FT
- Coach can't call timeout until player on his team has possession of the ball
- Once posession has been established, he may request a TO

Now unless the coach is this guy, it's gonna take a minimum of a few tenths of a second to physically spit out the words, "time out". Yes, I know the coach can visually request a time-out instead of saying it, but for no time to come off the clock the request would have to come at the same time as they gain possession, and if you're an official watching a coach in this situation, instead of the players, you've got bigger problems...

I do think it impossible for no time to come off the clock, however I'm not going to guesstimate how much time is supposed to be put on the clock. Coach might have to live with the fact that he may not get that TO. I know it's gonna be a tough sell when he complains that he should get a TO with the full .6, but nobody said our job was easy...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jearef

Unless we are dealing with a sitch where the timer starts the clock when he should not have, it is difficult for me to imagine any situation where we would have "definite knowledge" of a timing mistake in tenths of a second.

One poster has suggested that perhaps all of this could have taken place in .2 seconds. Although I could certainly be wrong, I just can't see that happening. I'd be willing to bet that we could ask a timer to start and then stop the clock as quickly as possible, and he couldn't do it in .2 seconds. My guess is that the timer in this case did a good job. I don't know how you could justify any adjustment to the clock under the given circumstances.

I've had to help (lower level) timers reset the clock and am able to turn it on and off in .1 seconds.