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Old Wed Jan 28, 2004, 02:42pm
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In a game played this past week a last second's shot got lodged in the basket resulting in a jump ball. The officials went to the replay to determine how much time was left on the clock when the ball lodged. They looked at the replay and it showed that the ball lodged at let's say 1.9 sec. and put 1.9 seconds back on the clock. There was no time allowed for the reaction time of the officials or the timekeeper in reguards to this violation and stopping the clock. Is this proper protocal?
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2004, 02:56pm
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In a game played this past week a last second's shot got lodged in the basket resulting in a jump ball. The officials went to the replay to determine how much time was left on the clock when the ball lodged. They looked at the replay and it showed that the ball lodged at let's say 1.9 sec. and put 1.9 seconds back on the clock. There was no time allowed for the reaction time of the officials or the timekeeper in reguards to this violation and stopping the clock. Is this proper protocal?

It depends. Was this game played under NFHS rules or NCAA rules?
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In a game played this past week a last second's shot got lodged in the basket resulting in a jump ball. The officials went to the replay to determine how much time was left on the clock when the ball lodged. They looked at the replay and it showed that the ball lodged at let's say 1.9 sec. and put 1.9 seconds back on the clock. There was no time allowed for the reaction time of the officials or the timekeeper in reguards to this violation and stopping the clock. Is this proper protocal?
It's the way it's generally done in the NCAA, yes.

By rule /case in HS, if the clock was stopped at .9 or greater, it would be left where it stopped. If it stopped at .8 or less (or ran out) it would be reset to 1.9 (and, of course, no TV replay would be used in HS to determine the time).

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In a game played this past week a last second's shot got lodged in the basket resulting in a jump ball. The officials went to the replay to determine how much time was left on the clock when the ball lodged. They looked at the replay and it showed that the ball lodged at let's say 1.9 sec. and put 1.9 seconds back on the clock. There was no time allowed for the reaction time of the officials or the timekeeper in reguards to this violation and stopping the clock. Is this proper protocal?
I saw this NC2A game on TV; it was 1.7 they put back on the clock. I personally think they put .1 too much on - I think 1.6 was more accurate.

AFAIK, yes, this is proper protocol for NC2A.
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2004, 04:32pm
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"By rule /case in HS, if the clock was stopped at .9 or greater, it would be left where it stopped. If it stopped at .8 or less (or ran out) it would be reset to 1.9 (and, of course, no TV replay would be used in HS to determine the time)."

Where can I find this ruling in NF book??

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Old Wed Jan 28, 2004, 04:34pm
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Correct

In other words they are not to allow for reaction time.
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2004, 04:36pm
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It is illegal to use replay in a Fed game. You will no find it in the rule book.
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2004, 04:43pm
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I know we can't use replay equipment, just want to know where it says to put 1.9 back on the clock if it stopped at .8??
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2004, 04:58pm
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"By rule /case in HS, if the clock was stopped at .9 or greater, it would be left where it stopped. If it stopped at .8 or less (or ran out) it would be reset to 1.9 (and, of course, no TV replay would be used in HS to determine the time)."

Where can I find this ruling in NF book??

casebook play5.10.1SitB-Comment.

Bob Jenkin's answer is correct.
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2004, 05:00pm
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Smile Your judgement/knowledge!

You and your partner will have to put time back on the clock if you think it is the correct thing to do. There is no rule requiring a certain amount of time. It is up to you to determine based on your knowledge.
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2004, 05:07pm
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If the official has knowledge that the clock was at 1.9 after the whistle I agree, but the post did not indicate that and it confused me a bit...which is easy to do at my age.
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2004, 05:10pm
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The book does have guidelines about how much to put back on but the official has to have "definitive information relative to time involved".
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Old Thu Jan 29, 2004, 12:41pm
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And the rule book does allow for up to one second of reaction time anything more than that is a timing error.
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Old Thu Jan 29, 2004, 01:20pm
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Assuming that you blow the whistle and look at the clock, you put back on the clock what you see. 5.10.1b comment says that the official signalling and looking at the clock is considered the same as lag time. So if you look and see time after you blow it dead, you put it all back on there. In the case of 1.9 if the official blew his whistle then looked at the clock, and the clock operator let it go to 1.2, I say put all 1.9 back on it. IMHO..
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Old Thu Jan 29, 2004, 02:49pm
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And in the original post they did not allow any lag time and reset the clock to the exact time that it showed on the replay camera when the ball lodged in the basket. So?
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