Ejection Policies and Are They Upheld?

[JRutledge]

All ejections are final. If the rules are followed and a judgment is made, the decisions are final. No going back and changing those decisions. And as far as I know based on what was said before by the IHSA, they support their officials 100% in these situations.

Peace

I applaud IHSA for doing so, but there was an official here on the board who ejected a coach in another state and it was being appealed. I believe it was ReffingRev I may be referring to. Can't remember the thread.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

I applaud IHSA for doing so, but there was an official here on the board who ejected a coach in another state and it was being appealed. I believe it was ReffingRev I may be referring to. Can't remember the thread.

This is not an uncommon occurrence. They have zero tolerance for behavior of coaches and players when it comes to these things. The only time I have ever head the IHSA take back an ejection, was because a baseball umpire ejected a player for simply wearing a jewelry item, which for the record is the same rule in basketball and football. You just remove the player. I have never heard of another case of any kind other than erroneous application of the rules by an official. This might not have been the best call, but it certainly had some merit. At least without any further information.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

I've not known the NCHSAA to reverse an ejection. Yes, coaches attend a rules clinic. Yes, they are aware of the consequences and the no appeal. Yes, they are consistent.

I think officials are less consistent, disqualifying players and coaches instead of ejecting them, which incldues a 2 game suspension. Fighting is a 4 game suspension.

[DonInKansas]

For the KSHSAA, refs and coaches attend the same rules meeting and ejections/suspensions are covered. I don't have any experience with actual ejections.

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

All ejections are final. If the rules are followed and a judgment is made, the decisions are final. No going back and changing those decisions. And as far as I know based on what was said before by the IHSA, they support their officials 100% in these situations.

Peace

Is that your final answer based on the recent IHSA ruling?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Is that your final answer based on the recent IHSA ruling?

In my 13 years of officiating, I have never seen such a thing overturned by people in the IHSA Office for something that is a judgment call. You must did not read my comments on the other thread.

Peace

[Reffing Rev.]

It was my post earlier, you referenced. "I Made a Mistake"

Coaches do have to attend a rules meeting, either the same one we do, or the "Coaches Association" meeting. Coaches only at that one, I can't say if what is said there matches up with what is said at our's.

In my situation, a coach was ejected in the first round of the playoffs for using a magic word and then charging an official (moi), and would ordinarily be required to sit out the next game. His AD appealed to the state, that his ejection was the result of poor professionalism by the officiating crew, which is like a buzz word in state meetings. So he was permitted to coach their next two games.

I have not heard any official word, except that "ejections and their ramifications are not eligible for any appeal, however, in the event that an ejection is not solely the ejected individual's fault, and the enforcement of consequences might punish teammates who had done nothing wrong consequences may be delayed."

The language orignally used that the ejection was under appeal was the newspaper's interpretation of consequences being delayed.

That coach will be required to take the NFHS coaching class on-line and pay its fee, and he will sit out 2 games next season. 1 for the ejection, and 1 for gross misconduct towards game officials. He has also been put on notice that if he acts in such a way towards officials again he will be suspended for 1 year. (He and I had coffee and a bagel at the girls' tournament this weekend)


Oh, and I spent my first 4 years in IHSA, they have not always been so "supportive" of officials, but I hear they have gotten much better.

[Nevadaref]

With all due respect to our moderators, it would be super nice if they would agree that Rut has been proven completely wrong in this case as the IHSA has overturned the ejection, and not delete my posts pointing out this fact.

Perhaps Rut will finally bring himself to admit that he is wrong about something. Perhaps he will finally learn and improve from it. It would be really spectacular to see.

Again with all due respect to our moderators and the job that they have done, there is simply no denying his incorrectness on this one.

Perhaps even bob jenkins will come in and tell Rut that he was wrong.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

With all due respect to our moderators, it would be super nice if they would agree that Rut has been proven completely wrong in this case as the IHSA has overturned the ejection, and not delete my posts pointing out this fact.

Perhaps Rut will finally bring himself to admit that he is wrong about something. Perhaps he will finally learn and improve from it. It would be really spectacular to see.

Again with all due respect to our moderators and the job that they have done, there is simply no denying his incorrectness on this one.

Perhaps even bob jenkins will come in and tell Rut that he was wrong.

With all due respect, what am I wrong about?

You obviously do not know what was said by the IHSA. I did not say it would never be changed. I said I had not ever seen a situation but one that was overturned when the officials misapplied a rule to eject someone.

I did not make a prediction. I did say the IHSA knew more about the situation than any of us knew because a Special Report is filed. Show where I said they were not going to change this decision?

You will not find such a comment. If you want to split hairs, that is fine with me. But man enough to admit that you will not find any comments I said what the IHSA would nor would not do? I would never say what a family member would do. Why would I suggest what the IHSA would not do?

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

...... Rut has been proven completely wrong in this case as the IHSA has overturned the ejection.....
Perhaps Rut will finally bring himself to admit that he is wrong about something.

This is really not that big a deal, because I don't think too many people care, about Illinois in general, and Rut in particular.**




**another joke

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is really not that big a deal, because I don't think too many people care, about Illinois in general, and Rut in particular.**




**another joke

Interestiing, you posted about it. But you do not care. Funny.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

All ejections are final. If the rules are followed and a judgment is made, the decisions are final. No going back and changing those decisions. And as far as I know based on what was said before by the IHSA, they support their officials 100% in these situations.

I see that you are conveniently attempting to ignore this part.


I'm done with this now. I've clearly made my point and do not wish to cause the moderators a headache.

Buh-bye.

[Adam]

Finally.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I see that you are conveniently attempting to ignore this part.


I'm done with this now. I've clearly made my point and do not wish to cause the moderators a headache.

Buh-bye.

From the IHSA Official's Handbook, page 27:

"Ejections for unsportsmanlike conduct are considered decisions of contest officials and will not be subject to appeal (by-law 6.033). Schools and the IHSA may assess additional penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct of players and coaches. Official, if you eject a player or coach this ejection is final. There is no changing of the decision during or after the contest. Therefore make sure that the ejection is warranted."

Peace