Ejection Policies and Are They Upheld?
After reading some posts on this board about state associations either waiving suspensions or upholding suspensions as a result of an ejection from a contest, I'm curious as to the following: 1) Does your state association(s) require the coaches to attend the same rules meetings officials do? 2) If so, does the state association(s) make it clear during the meeting the ramifications of an ejection, and the fact that it cannot be appealed (or otherwise)? 3) Is your state association(s) being consistent with their policy? I'm not out to do a neener-neener kind of thing, but one thing that bugs me as an official is when we do our jobs, and then have our "authority" taken away after the fact because some higher-ups thought we may have been hasty or unclear in our thinking (as if we haven't gotten used to the idiots in the stands who think that every time we run up and down the court!). Talk away folks. I'm going to sit back with my popcorn and see the responses.
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Both my LA and PA communicate regarding banned (short of long periods) individuals. However, there is always room for improvement.
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See "Interesting T" thread. Apparently the IHSA backs the officials, even in the case of a "star" player and a questionable call.
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All ejections are final. If the rules are followed and a judgment is made, the decisions are final. No going back and changing those decisions. And as far as I know based on what was said before by the IHSA, they support their officials 100% in these situations.
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I applaud IHSA for doing so, but there was an official here on the board who ejected a coach in another state and it was being appealed. I believe it was ReffingRev I may be referring to. Can't remember the thread.
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I've not known the NCHSAA to reverse an ejection. Yes, coaches attend a rules clinic. Yes, they are aware of the consequences and the no appeal. Yes, they are consistent.
I think officials are less consistent, disqualifying players and coaches instead of ejecting them, which incldues a 2 game suspension. Fighting is a 4 game suspension. |
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In Oregon an ejection cannot be reversed. All ejections in Oregon also include the penalty that the player or coach cannot participate the remainder of that day at any level and there is an additional one game suspension.
Saying that there is a process to lower the penalty that is associated with an ejection. Example: In high school baseball last season there were 86 ejections of players and coaches. Of these ejections 41 were appealed and schools requested that the additional one game penalty be waived. 20 times the OSAA granted the waiver. Recognize that the OSAA does not make this decision without conferencing with the the local association commissioner who, in turn, talks directly with the official that made the ejection. Sometimes in baseball (because tradition allows a coach to come on to the field of play to argue even judgment calls) ejections can be questionable even for the well seasoned umpire. Baseball had FOUR TIMES more ejections than any other sport. Girls softball played 80% as many games as boys baseball and they had seven (7) ejections for the entire season. Regards, |
For the KSHSAA, refs and coaches attend the same rules meeting and ejections/suspensions are covered. I don't have any experience with actual ejections.
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not that it matters, but i saw the play in question (which resulted in the 2nd T on the game) and it was a VERY poor call by one of the officials.
you can say that the coach should not have had him in the game at that point...... you can say that the player should have known better..... you can say the state association officials should use logic/judgement and not simply follow the "letter of the law" on this rule.... you can blame anyone else you like.....BUT there can be no disputing that the call was VERY poor (even if it was the kids only T of the night). That call cannot be made against ANY player in that situation - scrimmage, non-conference game, regular season game, or state playoff game.... |
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