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GJH game last nite - girl dribbling while being closely defended I start count - girl continues to dribble across the court close to the division line. I call the violation.
Of course the coach says how can that be - she was attacking the basket. My response was that the count stops when the torso is past the defender or the dribbler backs up to avoid the 6 foot rule - was it the correct call?
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Fixed it for ya.
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SECTION 10 CLOSELY GUARDED A closely guarded situation occurs when a player in control of the ball in his/her team’s frontcourt, is continuously guarded by any opponent who is within six feet of the player who is holding or dribbling the ball. The distance shall be measured from the forward foot/feet of the defender to the forward foot/feet of the ball handler. A closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player. Just semantics, but remember the shampoo. |
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Interesting question, Mick. I'd say no, but I'm willing to be convinced.
Follow up question: Would it matter if the dribbler turned to head towards the backcourt instead of backing up in that direction?
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I was taught that "past the defender" is relative to the basket, so the ball handler would have to be moving toward the basket in order to meet this test and suspend the count.
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Sure you would. "Termination" is simply permanent suspension.
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The shampoo rule! I love it!
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Formulated with a fresh, clean scent ...
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You were 100% correct in your call, but you failed to listen to the coaches comment, which is why your reply fell on deaf ears. His complaint was that "she was attacking the basket". Many years ago, probably when this coach was playing, if a dribbler, while being closely guarded, dribbled past the twenty-eight foot hash mark, which still appears on some older courts, she got a new five second count started. Back then you cold hold for four seconds, dribble for four seconds, dribble past the hash mark, and get to dribble for four more seconds, and then hold for four seconds, with no violation, a total of 16 seconds. The maximum limit today is twelve seconds. Old Coach, old rule, maybe a young official, who never knew any other closely guarded rule.
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Don't mean to argue semantics, but that's what we do here (a lot of the time). Hold for 4.9999..., dribble for 4.9999...., hold for 4.9999... = 14.9997 seconds which is almost 3 seconds more than the 12 seconds that you suggest is the maximum. Last edited by biz; Wed Mar 04, 2009 at 08:56pm. |
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