5 Second Count

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

GJH game last night, girl dribbling while being closely defended, I start count, girl continues to dribble across the court close to the division line. I call the violation. Of course the coach says how can that be, she was attacking the basket. My response was that the count stops when the torso is past the defender or the dribbler backs up to avoid the 6 foot rule, was it the correct call?

"What we've got here is a failure to communicate." (Cool Hand Luke)

You were 100% correct in your call, but you failed to listen to the coaches comment, which is why your reply fell on deaf ears. His complaint was that "she was attacking the basket". Many years ago, probably when this coach was playing, if a dribbler, while being closely guarded, dribbled past the twenty-eight foot hash mark, which still appears on some older courts, she got a new five second count started. Back then you cold hold for four seconds, dribble for four seconds, dribble past the hash mark, and get to dribble for four more seconds, and then hold for four seconds, with no violation, a total of 16 seconds. The maximum limit today is twelve seconds. Old Coach, old rule, maybe a young official, who never knew any other closely guarded rule.

[bradfordwilkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"What we've got here is a failure to communicate." (Cool Hand Luke)

You were 100% correct in your call, but you failed to listen to the coaches comment, which is why your reply fell on deaf ears. His complaint was that "she was attacking the basket". Many years ago, probably when this coach was playing, if a dribbler, while being closely guarded, dribbled past the twenty-eight foot hash mark, which still appears on some older courts, she got a new five second count started. Back then you cold hold for four seconds, dribble for four seconds, dribble past the hash mark, and get to dribble for four more seconds, and then hold for four seconds, with no violation, a total of 16 seconds. The maximum limit today is twelve seconds. Old Coach, old rule, maybe a young official, who never knew any other closely guarded rule.

Haha love it -- and probably exactly what happened!

[biz]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The maximum limit today is twelve seconds.

Don't mean to argue semantics, but that's what we do here (a lot of the time).

Hold for 4.9999..., dribble for 4.9999...., hold for 4.9999... = 14.9997 seconds which is almost 3 seconds more than the 12 seconds that you suggest is the maximum.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by biz

Hold for 4.9999, dribble for 4.9999, hold for 4.9999 = 14.9997 seconds which is almost 3 seconds more than the 12 seconds that you suggest is the maximum.

Dear Mr. biz,

BilllyMac did not know that there was going to be any mathematics on the test, and did not properly prepare for it. Please allow him to retake the test.

Signed,
BillyMac's Mother

[biz]

Mrs. Mac,

Thank you for your lovely note. As an educator in the 21st century in America's public schools I know that if I don't excuse BillyMac from his required math homework, as you requested, that you will go over my head to my principal, who will, of course, cave to your (and every parent's) demand and make me excuse him. So in order to streamline the process and save everyone some time and effort I will happily excuse BillyMac from this and every assignment that you take the time to complain about.

Signed,

Mr. Biz

[Nevadaref]

I vote for corporal punishment!

[biz]

careful with that one Nevada

I had a colleague who "dope slapped" a kid who was being a PITA. It didn't take long for him to become a FORMER colleague.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by biz

careful with that one Nevada

I had a colleague who "dope slapped" a kid who was being a PITA. It didn't take long for him to become a FORMER colleague.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by biz

I will happily excuse BillyMac from this and every assignment that you take the time to complain about.

Thank you. Signed, Epstein's Mother