Elbow Swinging II

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BubbaRef

Would leaning into the offense's rightful space be legal guarding position?

Wouldn't that be the same as if A1 goes up for a shot and B1 doesn't have his/her arms straight up and makes contact with A1's arm on the shot? Then you would have a foul on B1 for that wouldn't you?

LGP is not relevant for determining if there was any advantage. LGP is not relevant to this play.

If it affects the shot, yes. If it doesn't affect the shot, then no. Not all contact is a foul, by rule there must be some sort of advantage for it to be a foul.

4-27-3 "Contact which does not hinder the opponent from participating in normal defensive or offensive movements should be considered incidental.

[BubbaRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

LGP is not relevant for determining if there was any advantage. LGP is not relevant to this play.

If it affects the shot, yes. If it doesn't affect the shot, then no. Not all contact is a foul, by rule there must be some sort of advantage for it to be a foul.

4-27-3 "Contact which does not hinder the opponent from participating in normal defensive or offensive movements should be considered incidental.

I have to disagree with you on LGP not being relevant. By the way I am taking what you said is that B1 is invading the space by leaning over, so that possibly means that A1 has to be leaning and not being able to stand straight and possibly not be able to make a normal basketball move there fore in my eyes B1 is gaining an advantage by doing this.

Maybe I am taking what you said out of context of what you mean. I think this is probably a call that has to be seen in actuality before you can make any call on it.

[Adam]

A1's pivot was not hindered. Upon contact, B1 recoils and A1 is able to complete his motion without hinderance.

By not relevant, I mean it's not relevant in determining whether or not the contact warrants a foul. It might be relevant in determining who is responsible for contact, but if there's no advantage, there's no foul.

[BubbaRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A1's pivot was not hindered. Upon contact, B1 recoils and A1 is able to complete his motion without hinderance.

By not relevant, I mean it's not relevant in determining whether or not the contact warrants a foul. It might be relevant in determining who is responsible for contact, but if there's no advantage, there's no foul.

Ok then I understand where your coming from after these statements. Just from your initial post is what I was going on, but I am sure you meant that in your first post.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BubbaRef

Ok then I understand where your coming from after these statements. Just from your initial post is what I was going on, but I am sure you meant that in your first post.

Fair enough. I think LGP is overused. I'm seeing B1 standing stationary guarding A1, so LGP isn't really an issue.

[BubbaRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Fair enough. I think LGP is overused. I'm seeing B1 standing stationary guarding A1, so LGP isn't really an issue.

In our area most of the guys call advantage/disadvantage pretty much all the time. I know I call alot of it and try having players play through stuff when they can. But like I said I think this call would have to be made in person instead of trying to explain it on the net.