Elbow Swinging II

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

The only thing that gets me is when there is contact and the foul is called simply because the defender was all up in the offensive players grill. Just the fact that there is contact with the elbow does not necessitate a foul. Sometimes a players will take a nasty elbow to the face that is entirely his fault. Doesn't mean its a foul or violation. This is also where judgment does come in.

If the elbow enters the defender's "cylinder" and hits him in the face, I've got a player control foul, at the least. If the defender is sticking his nose into the offensive player's "cylinder" and hits his nose against the offensive player's elbow, I've probably got nothing, except an upset coach, and an upset player.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If the elbow enters the defender's "cylinder" and hits him in the face, I've got a player control foul, at the least. If the defender is sticking his nose into the offensive player's "cylinder" and hits his nose against the offensive player's elbow, I've probably got nothing, except an upset coach, and an upset player.

yes thats what i am trying to say except you said it better. and by cylinder than means circular and i allow the offensive player room to pivot.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

yes thats what i am trying to say except you said it better. and by cylinder than means circular and i allow the offensive player room to pivot.

Not if he pivots into the defender's cylinder. If a defender is just standing, let's say, 18 inches, from a rebounder, and the rebounder, not knowing that the defender was there, simply pivots, without excessively swinging the elbows, and hits the defender, with an elbow, in the face, the I'm calling a player control foul.

[deecee]

so the defensive players cylinder has more rights than the offensive players? i dont buy that

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by deecee

so the defensive players cylinder has more rights than the offensive players? i dont buy that

Not what he said. You have the right to your space. Before the O player pivots, he isn't in the D players space. When he does pivot he enters the D players space. Who created the contact? That is all you need to ask.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

so the defensive players cylinder has more rights than the offensive players? i dont buy that

Once again, deecee, you are incorrect. That is why everyone in this thread is disagreeing with your position. The defender is not required to give the offensive player with the ball any time or distance. The defender can legally be as close to the opposing player as he can get without making contact. If the offensive player then pivots and causes contact which places the defender at a disadvantage, the proper call is a player control foul.