Counting

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JPaco54

I am trying to be more consistent and accurate on my 10 count and 5 count. I practiced the other night using a timer, as some of you have suggested, as well as timed myself against the clock in a few rec games this week. My arm swing is slow compared to actual time, by an average of 2 seconds. So, the 10 second count turns into 12 seconds and the five second turns into 6-7 seconds. I also monitored refs the other night in a BV HS game and they seem to be off by about 2-3 seconds as well. My five count is off 1-2 seconds. If I correct my timing to be more accurate, I believe I will be faster than my partners' and create inconsistency during the game. Any suggestions or comments on proper count mechanics. Thanks!

Well, since you know your count is slow then you can just call the violation when you hit 5/10 on your count. A lot of officials will an extra count after hitting 5/10, in your case you know that extra count is already built in.

[JPaco54]

Thank you all for your input. I will continue to work on my count. Appreciate the humor as well. I will date myself here, but we used to watch Lawerence Welk as a kid, Saturday nights, on our one Zenith Black & White rotary channel TV and then we had to watch Mitch Miller, Jackie Gleason and Red Skelton.

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Hey, it worked for Lawrence Welk........

"Much of the show's appeal was Welk himself. His unusual accent appealed to the audience. (On one 1955 show, he mentioned Danny Thomas's series, "Mek Room fur Deddy.") While Welk's English was passable, he never did grasp the English "idiom" completely, and was thus famous for his "Welk-isms," such as "George, I want to see you when you have a minute, right now," and "Now for my accordion solo, Myron, will you join me?" . Another famous "Welk-ism" was his trademark count-off, "A one and a two..." which was immortalized on his California automobile license plate that read "A1ANA2".

Now where else are you going to go to get this kind of information in this day and age?! Makes it worth the price of admission alone. (But, seriously, I thought when you gave your credit card number to sign up for this discussion board they were only going to charge $9.99, not $99.99.)

[Ignats75]

I try to calibrate my count to the scoreboard everytinme up the floor if I am trail. I've even counted an extra second or two after the ball crosses the time line just to make sure I'm in cinq with the scoreboard clock.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by deecee

jesus -- just be as close to 10 as humanly possible.

LOL...beaten this one to death, huh?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Drizzle

But it's a FULL 10 seconds. If you start at 5:46 and end at 5:36, it might be a tad quick if the actual time was 5:46.1 and 5:36.9!

Originally Posted by Scratch85

I can't resist and I apologize for addressing this.

If you start a count when the clock reads 5:46 and you call a violation when the clock reads 5:36, you will have allowed between :10.0 and :10.9

5:46 could be:

• as little as 5:46.0 (S1)
• as much as 5:46.9 (S2)

5:36 could be:

• as little as 5:36.0 (E1)
• as much as 5:36.9 (E2)

S1 - E1 = 10 seconds, right on the money
S1 - E2 = 9.1 seconds

S2 - E1 = 10.9 seconds
S2 - E2 = 10 seconds, right on the money

Average: 10 seconds.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

5:46 could be:

• as little as 5:46.0 (S1)
• as much as 5:46.9 (S2)

5:36 could be:

• as little as 5:36.0 (E1)
• as much as 5:36.9 (E2)

S1 - E1 = 10 seconds, right on the money
S1 - E2 = 9.1 seconds

S2 - E1 = 10.9 seconds
S2 - E2 = 10 seconds, right on the money

Average: 10 seconds.

I think 5:46.0 could be as much as 5:46.0 and as little as 5:45.1; and 5:36 could be as much as 5:36.0 and as little as 5:35.1

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

I think 5:46.0 could be as much as 5:46.0 and as little as 5:45.1; and 5:36 could be as much as 5:36.0 and as little as 5:35.1

It depends on the clock / system.

Most, in my experience, are of the type JugglingRef described and NOT of the type you describe.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It depends on the clock / system.

Most, in my experience, are of the type JugglingRef described and NOT of the type you describe.

So when the game starts with 8:00 on the clock, after 1/10th of a second it goes to 7:59? Actually, I don't have any idea how they work and was only speculating. The math is the same either way.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

So when the game starts with 8:00 on the clock, after 1/10th of a second it goes to 7:59? Actually, I don't have any idea how they work and was only speculating. The math is the same either way.

Yes. The 1/10s are always there, they are just not displayed until there's less than a minute to play.

So, the clock is really 7:59.9 with the part in red not displayed

[deecee]

oh jesus not this road again....

[shishstripes]

deecee, I am starting to feel sorry that I mentioned this. I think all the walnuts have been shaken from the tree.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JPaco54

Thank you all for your input. I will continue to work on my count. Appreciate the humor as well. I will date myself here, but we used to watch Lawerence Welk as a kid, Saturday nights, on our one Zenith Black & White rotary channel TV and then we had to watch Mitch Miller, Jackie Gleason and Red Skelton.

My family watched these shows as well. We had to watch as a family, because we only had the one set, as you mention. No cable TV back then. We got just a few stations, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS (called "educational television" back then), WPIX (NY Yankees), WOR (NY Knicks), and WNEW (Wonderama (cartoons)). Great reference to the rotary dial to change channels. I don't know if I could live without my remote control today, although I would probably drop a few pounds by getting up and down from my recliner changing channels.