Opinions wanted

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

Curious as to why you would do this ?

From our mechanics manual:

DISQUALIFIED PLAYER:
- Calling official will notify partner that the player has five fouls.
- Calling official will notify the player that she has five fouls.
- Calling official will notify the coach that it is the player’s fifth foul and a substitute is necessary.
- - When the substitute reports, she must enter the game immediately.
- If the coach does not have a substitute ready to report, the calling official will tell the clock operator to start timing 20 seconds with the 1st horn sounding at 15 seconds and the 2nd horn sounding at 20 seconds.

A delay of game DIRECT Technical Foul shall be addressed to the head coach if the player has not been replaced after 20 seconds.

(Note The calling official always has the option to go opposite the table have her partner administer the substitution if she feels an adversarial situation has or could occur. (Discuss this thoroughly in your pre-game conference.)

[Juulie Downs]

My opinions:

1. When you see that the fould-out-player has left the gym, you tell the coach that she needs to return to the bench, rules require her to remain in the gym.

2. The coach is losing for a reason: He hasn't even taught his players what constitutes a really stupid act by a player with four fouls. For him to tell the player quietly that this is a "bullcrap" call, just shows that he's an idiot. Late in the game, he's not gonna win no matter what, no one else heard him, meh...

3. If others hear, and he's really showing you up, you just gotta get it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Rules require her to remain in the gym.

Which rules? NFHS? State sports governing body? League, or conference? School district? Citation please.

NFHS 10-1-4 seems to refer to a team, not an individual player: A team shall not fail to occupy the team member’s bench to which it is assigned.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Which rules? NFHS? State sports governing body? League, or conference? School district? Citation please.

DQ'd players are not allowed to leave the bench area without adult supervision.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Which rules? NFHS? State sports governing body? League, or conference? School district? Citation please.

NFHS 10-1-4 seems to refer to a team, not an individual player: A team shall not fail to occupy the team member’s bench to which it is assigned.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

DQ'd players are not allowed to leave the bench area without adult supervision.

Per an NFHS POE from a couple of seasons ago.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

DQ'd players are not allowed to leave the bench area without adult supervision.

But that is not under our jurisdiction. If the coach sends the player to the lockerroom, we don't go check to see if an adult is with them.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Rules require her to remain in the gym.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Which rules? NFHS? State sports governing body? League, or conference? School district? Citation please. NFHS 10-1-4 seems to refer to a team, not an individual player: A team shall not fail to occupy the team member’s bench to which it is assigned.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

DQ'd players are not allowed to leave the bench area without adult supervision.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Per an NFHS POE from a couple of seasons ago.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

But that is not under our jurisdiction. If the coach sends the player to the lockerroom, we don't go check to see if an adult is with them.

I know that officials are no longer allowed to eject a player to the locker room, as we did many, many years ago. I just can't seem to find a written citation that does not allow a player to leave the court, or a coach to send a player off the court, with, or without an adult escort, pertaining to a player who may, or may not have fouled out, or may, or may not have been ejected. Written citation please.

Note: I do think I remember a ruling where officials are rarely allowed to send a player, who continues his unsporting conduct after being disqualified, or ejected, to the locker room with an adult. Did I dream this?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I Written citation please.

I'm tempted to just give you the cite, but I think you'll learn more if I just tell you that it's in the case book under rule 10.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Lotto

From our mechanics manual:

DISQUALIFIED PLAYER:
- Calling official will notify partner that the player has five fouls.
- Calling official will notify the player that she has five fouls.
- Calling official will notify the coach that it is the player’s fifth foul and a substitute is necessary.
- - When the substitute reports, she must enter the game immediately.
- If the coach does not have a substitute ready to report, the calling official will tell the clock operator to start timing 20 seconds with the 1st horn sounding at 15 seconds and the 2nd horn sounding at 20 seconds.

The manual needs to be revised. It needs to indicate when the official should tell the timer to start the clock.

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by LDUB

The manual needs to be revised. It needs to indicate when the official should tell the timer to start the clock.

Huh? It says that the official tells the timer to start the clock if the coach doesn't have a sub ready to report.

[zm1283]

Shouldn't it be:

- Notify coach
- Have timer start clock, one horn at 5 (Not 15), one more at 20
- Notify player of their fifth foul

Of course if they already have a sub sitting at the table, then you obviously don't need to have the timer start the clock.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Shouldn't it be:

- Notify coach
- Have timer start clock, one horn at 5 (Not 15), one more at 20
- Notify player of their fifth foul

Of course if they already have a sub sitting at the table, then you obviously don't need to have the timer start the clock.

I always wonder why so many people make all the timing situations so much more complicted than they need to be.

In basketball, as opposed to soccer, all clocks count DOWN!!! As such, they start at some number (60,30, or 20) and ALL timers have a warning horn at 15 remaining and expire at 0. Keep it simple.

Isn't that so much simpler than saying the horn is at 5 on a DQ, at 15 on a 30 second timeout, and at 45 on a 60 second timeout???