Opinions wanted

[Chess Ref]

Well shouldn't non calling official be the one to tell coach and player they have fouled out ?

In our area thats how it's suppose to be done. Same philosophy as getting away after a T.

#1. Probably pass unless partner saw it then he needs to go get it.

#2. If coach/player and me were the only ones to have heard it I'm not sure. For me it's HTBT but I know for sure if anyone else heard other then us I got a T..

Your mileage may vary.

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

Well shouldn't non calling official be the one to tell coach and player they have fouled out ?

We pregamed this and had the option of notifying ourselves or asking partner to do it.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Lotto

We pregamed this and had the option of notifying ourselves or asking partner to do it.

Curious as to why you would do this ?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

Curious as to why you would do this ?

We give the calling the official the option. I almost always handle it myself if I'm the calling official.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

We give the calling the official the option. I almost always handle it myself if I'm the calling official.

Why ? Is it a expediency thing or what ? Having the off call official notify seems to lessen the chance of whatever happening happening .

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

Why ? Is it a expediency thing or what ? Having the off call official notify seems to lessen the chance of whatever happening happening .

It's our philosophy that the simple act of someone fouling out, in and of itself, should not automatically present a contentious interaction with the coach.

We leave it to the calling official to gauge the temperature of the situation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's our philosophy that the simple act of someone fouling out, in and of itself, should not automatically present a contentious interaction with the coach.

We leave it to the calling official to gauge the temperature of the situation.

I agree. If they're just "fouling to stop the clock" (and I don't mean that it's an intentional foul), then let the calling official handle it.

If it's a controversial call on the star at a key point in the game, let someone else handle it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's our philosophy that the simple act of someone fouling out, in and of itself, should not automatically present a contentious interaction with the coach.

We leave it to the calling official to gauge the temperature of the situation.

Same philosophy here. I do not see the big deal. If I called the foul, running away does not look very strong or confident. I have never had to give a T as a result of a player fouling out and I doubt this will happen anytime soon.

Peace

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

Curious as to why you would do this ?

From our mechanics manual:

DISQUALIFIED PLAYER:
- Calling official will notify partner that the player has five fouls.
- Calling official will notify the player that she has five fouls.
- Calling official will notify the coach that it is the player’s fifth foul and a substitute is necessary.
- - When the substitute reports, she must enter the game immediately.
- If the coach does not have a substitute ready to report, the calling official will tell the clock operator to start timing 20 seconds with the 1st horn sounding at 15 seconds and the 2nd horn sounding at 20 seconds.

A delay of game DIRECT Technical Foul shall be addressed to the head coach if the player has not been replaced after 20 seconds.

(Note The calling official always has the option to go opposite the table have her partner administer the substitution if she feels an adversarial situation has or could occur. (Discuss this thoroughly in your pre-game conference.)

[Juulie Downs]

My opinions:

1. When you see that the fould-out-player has left the gym, you tell the coach that she needs to return to the bench, rules require her to remain in the gym.

2. The coach is losing for a reason: He hasn't even taught his players what constitutes a really stupid act by a player with four fouls. For him to tell the player quietly that this is a "bullcrap" call, just shows that he's an idiot. Late in the game, he's not gonna win no matter what, no one else heard him, meh...

3. If others hear, and he's really showing you up, you just gotta get it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Rules require her to remain in the gym.

Which rules? NFHS? State sports governing body? League, or conference? School district? Citation please.

NFHS 10-1-4 seems to refer to a team, not an individual player: A team shall not fail to occupy the team member’s bench to which it is assigned.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Which rules? NFHS? State sports governing body? League, or conference? School district? Citation please.

DQ'd players are not allowed to leave the bench area without adult supervision.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Lotto

From our mechanics manual:

DISQUALIFIED PLAYER:
- Calling official will notify partner that the player has five fouls.
- Calling official will notify the player that she has five fouls.
- Calling official will notify the coach that it is the player’s fifth foul and a substitute is necessary.
- - When the substitute reports, she must enter the game immediately.
- If the coach does not have a substitute ready to report, the calling official will tell the clock operator to start timing 20 seconds with the 1st horn sounding at 15 seconds and the 2nd horn sounding at 20 seconds.

The manual needs to be revised. It needs to indicate when the official should tell the timer to start the clock.

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by LDUB

The manual needs to be revised. It needs to indicate when the official should tell the timer to start the clock.

Huh? It says that the official tells the timer to start the clock if the coach doesn't have a sub ready to report.

[zm1283]

Shouldn't it be:

- Notify coach
- Have timer start clock, one horn at 5 (Not 15), one more at 20
- Notify player of their fifth foul

Of course if they already have a sub sitting at the table, then you obviously don't need to have the timer start the clock.