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[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Lotto

From our mechanics manual:

DISQUALIFIED PLAYER:
- Calling official will notify partner that the player has five fouls.
- Calling official will notify the player that she has five fouls.
- Calling official will notify the coach that it is the player’s fifth foul and a substitute is necessary.
- - When the substitute reports, she must enter the game immediately.
- If the coach does not have a substitute ready to report, the calling official will tell the clock operator to start timing 20 seconds with the 1st horn sounding at 15 seconds and the 2nd horn sounding at 20 seconds.

The manual needs to be revised. It needs to indicate when the official should tell the timer to start the clock.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Rules require her to remain in the gym.

Which rules? NFHS? State sports governing body? League, or conference? School district? Citation please.

NFHS 10-1-4 seems to refer to a team, not an individual player: A team shall not fail to occupy the team member’s bench to which it is assigned.

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by LDUB

The manual needs to be revised. It needs to indicate when the official should tell the timer to start the clock.

Huh? It says that the official tells the timer to start the clock if the coach doesn't have a sub ready to report.

[zm1283]

Shouldn't it be:

- Notify coach
- Have timer start clock, one horn at 5 (Not 15), one more at 20
- Notify player of their fifth foul

Of course if they already have a sub sitting at the table, then you obviously don't need to have the timer start the clock.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Which rules? NFHS? State sports governing body? League, or conference? School district? Citation please.

DQ'd players are not allowed to leave the bench area without adult supervision.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Which rules? NFHS? State sports governing body? League, or conference? School district? Citation please.

NFHS 10-1-4 seems to refer to a team, not an individual player: A team shall not fail to occupy the team member’s bench to which it is assigned.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

DQ'd players are not allowed to leave the bench area without adult supervision.

Per an NFHS POE from a couple of seasons ago.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

DQ'd players are not allowed to leave the bench area without adult supervision.

But that is not under our jurisdiction. If the coach sends the player to the lockerroom, we don't go check to see if an adult is with them.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Shouldn't it be:

- Notify coach
- Have timer start clock, one horn at 5 (Not 15), one more at 20
- Notify player of their fifth foul

Of course if they already have a sub sitting at the table, then you obviously don't need to have the timer start the clock.

I always wonder why so many people make all the timing situations so much more complicted than they need to be.

In basketball, as opposed to soccer, all clocks count DOWN!!! As such, they start at some number (60,30, or 20) and ALL timers have a warning horn at 15 remaining and expire at 0. Keep it simple.

Isn't that so much simpler than saying the horn is at 5 on a DQ, at 15 on a 30 second timeout, and at 45 on a 60 second timeout???

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Rules require her to remain in the gym.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Which rules? NFHS? State sports governing body? League, or conference? School district? Citation please. NFHS 10-1-4 seems to refer to a team, not an individual player: A team shall not fail to occupy the team member’s bench to which it is assigned.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

DQ'd players are not allowed to leave the bench area without adult supervision.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Per an NFHS POE from a couple of seasons ago.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

But that is not under our jurisdiction. If the coach sends the player to the lockerroom, we don't go check to see if an adult is with them.

I know that officials are no longer allowed to eject a player to the locker room, as we did many, many years ago. I just can't seem to find a written citation that does not allow a player to leave the court, or a coach to send a player off the court, with, or without an adult escort, pertaining to a player who may, or may not have fouled out, or may, or may not have been ejected. Written citation please.

Note: I do think I remember a ruling where officials are rarely allowed to send a player, who continues his unsporting conduct after being disqualified, or ejected, to the locker room with an adult. Did I dream this?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I Written citation please.

I'm tempted to just give you the cite, but I think you'll learn more if I just tell you that it's in the case book under rule 10.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think you'll learn more if I just tell you that it's in the case book under rule 10.

10.5 SITUATION: (a) The head coach is charged (directly or indirectly) with a third technical foul, or a second direct technical; or (b) A1 commits a flagrant technical foul against B1. RULING: In (a), the coach shall leave the vicinity or the playing area and have no further contact with the team. The official has no option and may not set aside the provision which requires removal. This also applies to all adult bench personnel who receive two technical fouls. In (b), the flagrant technical foul disqualifies A1 from further participation in the contest. A disqualified team member or student bench personnel shall go to or remain on the bench. However, in an unusual situation, an official has the authority to require that these individuals who have committed a flagrant technical foul must leave the vicinity of the court. This action is necessary when permitting such offenders to remain at courtside would tend to incite the crowd, to incite the opponents, or to subject the officials, opponents or others administering the game, to unsporting harassment. In such circumstances, the official should require the individual who has committed a flagrant foul to leave the vicinity of the court with an adult supervisor. It must be emphasized that an official does have this authority, when the circumstances resulting from any flagrant foul warrant it. (10-5 Note)

Thanks bob jenkins. So now I know that I didn't dream the part about rarely ejecting the player to the locker room with an adult supervisor.

How about my original question? What if a team member, disqualified, ejected, or still eligible, decides, on his own, without any input from an official, to go and "cool off" in the locker room, with no adult supervisor? Or what if the coach, again, without the input of an official, decided to send him there, for that reason, or for that matter, any reason, maybe punishment? Do NFHS rules prohibit this? And, again, as usual, citation please.