5 Second Count question

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mick

He can contact the opponent from the side....

Wouldn't the count be over by that point?

[Texas Aggie]

In the Fed rules, its stated under the definition of closely guarded in rule 4.

[dbking]

Originally Posted by Spence

A buddy of mine asked me if in college the rule counts if the person with the ball penetrates the 28 foot line.

??

Spence that rule left the court in the 80's and I hope it never returns! The only reason now that we have the 28' line is for coaching boxes at all levels of nfhs and ncaa.

[mick]

Originally Posted by dbking

Spence that rule left the court in the 80's and I hope it never returns! The only reason now that we have the 28' line is for coaching boxes at all levels of nfhs and ncaa.

...And for warmups, ... and a starting place that a Trail can find.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by deecee

This is incorrect. The defender can stay with the offensive player and mainting his guarding position. The count will continue. You can even have a 5 second violation on a drive to the hoop. The only way the count ends is if the offensive players gets head and shoulders PAST the defender or if the defender loses his legal guarding position or if he backs up more than 6 feet.

I believe that the requirement is the defender must be within 6 feet (measuring nearest foot to nearest foot). It does not matter whether the offensive player retreats to get more than 6 feet of space or if the defending retreats to give more than 6 feet of space.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

I believe that the requirement is the defender must be within 6 feet (measuring nearest foot to nearest foot). It does not matter whether the offensive player retreats to get more than 6 feet of space or if the defending retreats to give more than 6 feet of space.

yes that too, but i assumed that could be inferred by what i typed.

And a defender can lose his LGP by a quick move and the defender falls, offense gets his head and shoulders past the defender, defender and offensive player move to the same position and collide at the same time, I would put this contact on the defense all the time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

yes that too, but i assumed that could be inferred by what i typed.

And a defender can lose his LGP by a quick move and the defender falls, offense gets his head and shoulders past the defender, defender and offensive player move to the same position and collide at the same time, I would put this contact on the defense all the time.

If the defender falls, I'm not stopping my count. There is no rule basis for that (unless the dribbler goes past the prone defender).
And where does it say a defender who has fallen has lost his LGP?

[mick]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If the defender falls, I'm not stopping my count. There is no rule basis for that (unless the dribbler goes past the prone defender).
And where does it say a defender who has fallen has lost his LGP?

With the defender on the floor, I could not rationalize continuing the count.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If the defender falls, I'm not stopping my count. There is no rule basis for that (unless the dribbler goes past the prone defender).
And where does it say a defender who has fallen has lost his LGP?

I disagree here. I do think lying prone on the ground is NOT playing defense. No count from me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

I disagree here. I do think lying prone on the ground is NOT playing defense. No count from me.

So a player falls due to balance (a great move, if you want) and immediately gets up. You're starting a new count?

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Spence

A buddy of mine asked me if in college the rule counts if the person with the ball penetrates the 28 foot line.

??

No, that was an old rule that has since been removed.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So a player falls due to balance (a great move, if you want) and immediately gets up. You're starting a new count?

Yes I am. LGP ended when the defender fell, once he re-establishes himself I will restart.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So a player falls due to balance (a great move, if you want) and immediately gets up. You're starting a new count?

You can argue that if the defender falls to the floor he/she is no longer continuously guarding the ball-handler.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You can argue that if the defender falls to the floor he/she is no longer continuously guarding the ball-handler.

You could argue that, and I would go with it if he stays there. If he makes an immediate, continuous attempt to get up, he's playing defense the whole time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Yes I am. LGP ended when the defender fell, once he re-establishes himself I will restart.

Where does it say LGP is required for a 5 second count?