Proper Mechanics Questions (NFHS)

[dbking]

Originally Posted by dacodee

1) I'm Lead (opposite table). The ball goes out of bounds on tableside, below foul ling extended. I move over to tableside and remain Lead to administer throw-in. My partner (who now works D2 and D3 college games) tells me he's got it. So I go back to opposite tableside, where I was originally.

Question: Was he correct? Or, is it proper NFHS mechanic for the Lead to administer the throw-in below foul line extended? Is there anything that says it's an option for either Trail or Lead to administer?

2) I'm Trail (opposite table). My partner calls a foul in his area, in front of team B's bench. I switch and become the new Lead (tableside), ready to administer a throw-in, with ball in hand. My partner reports the foul, turns to me and says he's got it, with his hands up requesting the ball. I gave him "googly eyes" as if to let him know that I have it. He refused to go opposite table as the new Trail. So I gave him the ball and remained the Lead, but opposite table.

Question: Was he correct, again? I don't think so, but I can't seem to find anything that confirms either way.

After the game, we have a discussion about the switches. He tells me that I was wrong to switch and wrong to think that I was supposed to administer the throw-ins. We respectfully agreed to disagree.

Thanks

From your OP, I am not sure if you are two whistle or three whistle. I think it is two????

For two whistle:

1) Partner was correct. He was tableside and you were opposite. Ball went out on table side throw in and he should administer. If it went out on your side, then you would bounce on the side line.

2) If you are by the book in two person, that he had it right. He was near table to be report the foul and he stayed there. The less movement that you have the better to me. Although your way would work as well but took more movement.

Note: I work very limited two person and we pre game how we are going to handle things like foul reports and where we are going. I am sure that the #2 situation that you have on here would be talked about and I would want to do as your partner did.

My two cents!

[dacodee]

Originally Posted by dacodee

1) I'm Lead (opposite table). The ball goes out of bounds on tableside, below foul ling extended. I move over to tableside and remain Lead to administer throw-in. My partner (who now works D2 and D3 college games) tells me he's got it. So I go back to opposite tableside, where I was originally.

Question: Was he correct? Or, is it proper NFHS mechanic for the Lead to administer the throw-in below foul line extended? Is there anything that says it's an option for either Trail or Lead to administer?

2) I'm Trail (opposite table). My partner calls a foul in his area, in front of team B's bench. I switch and become the new Lead (tableside), ready to administer a throw-in, with ball in hand. My partner reports the foul, turns to me and says he's got it, with his hands up requesting the ball. I gave him "googly eyes" as if to let him know that I have it. He refused to go opposite table as the new Trail. So I gave him the ball and remained the Lead, but opposite table.

Question: Was he correct, again? I don't think so, but I can't seem to find anything that confirms either way.

After the game, we have a discussion about the switches. He tells me that I was wrong to switch and wrong to think that I was supposed to administer the throw-ins. We respectfully agreed to disagree.

Thanks

This was a 2 man game & we were staying in the frontcourt. With regards to #2, the way I've always been taught was to switch, not matter where you are on the court, on ALL fouls. And, for the off official to administer the throw-in at a spot nearest to where the foul occurred. My partner suggested that when he called the foul, as the Lead, I should have stayed opposite tableside and simply dropped down as the new Lead and stayed opposite tableside. I disagreed and indicated that he was correct that I become the new Lead, but incorrect that I should not administer the throw-in tableside.

Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by dacodee

This was a 2 man game & we were staying in the frontcourt. With regards to #2, the way I've always been taught was to switch, not matter where you are on the court, on ALL fouls. And, for the off official to administer the throw-in at a spot nearest to where the foul occurred. My partner suggested that when he called the foul, as the Lead, I should have stayed opposite tableside and simply dropped down as the new Lead and stayed opposite tableside. I disagreed and indicated that he was correct that I become the new Lead, but incorrect that I should not administer the throw-in tableside.

Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it.

Who administered the throwin and where?

[dacodee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Who administered the throwin and where?

Snaq, My partner administered the throw in from the Trail (tableside), at a spot well below foul line extended. I felt as though he should have switched and move to my previous position at Trail, opposite table. But, he made it clear that he wanted to administer.

Thanks

[referee99]

Originally Posted by dacodee

1) I'm Lead (opposite table). The ball goes out of bounds on tableside, below foul line extended. I move over to tableside and remain Lead to administer throw-in. My partner (who now works D2 and D3 college games) tells me he's got it. So I go back to opposite tableside, where I was originally.

Question: Was he correct? Or, is it proper NFHS mechanic for the Lead to administer the throw-in below foul line extended? Is there anything that says it's an option for either Trail or Lead to administer?

In FED mechanics, each official administers their line in the front court. The ball went OOB on his line he administers. If below the FT line he stays the lead. If above the FT line he would become new trail. This is FED Officials manual mechanics.

Originally Posted by dacodee

2) I'm Trail (opposite table). My partner calls a foul in his area, in front of team B's bench. I switch and become the new Lead (tableside), ready to administer a throw-in, with ball in hand. My partner reports the foul, turns to me and says he's got it, with his hands up requesting the ball. I gave him "googly eyes" as if to let him know that I have it. He refused to go opposite table as the new Trail. So I gave him the ball and remained the Lead, but opposite table.

Question: Was he correct, again? I don't think so, but I can't seem to find anything that confirms either way.

Again, the inbounds spot is on his line. He will administer the throw-in. Switch on all fouls is the proper mechanic. The switch here is lead/trail, not point A/point B.

I pre-game this with veteran officials, because many seem surprised at times. Dunno when the change occurred, but many don't have the current 'book' mechanic down. Some maybe by choice?

I will always suggest that if the situation is right in Sit. 1, we can make a quick improv to keep good coverage and get the ball into play quickly. Say he's trail, has a closely-guarded count on a dribbler, moving away from him... he's onto the court, I'm lead, positioned with post action... ball off of defender's foot and goes out on my line. I blow, maybe look to partner for direction, he can administer the throw-in. We can get ball in more quickly and do a better job of keeping the players under view by the audible here. Or, transition situation, I sprint as lead, he has dribbler or a pass deflected in the new front court and again is onto the court, we can treat that as an extension of backcourt mechanics -- better flow, better coverage of players.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by referee99

In FED mechanics, each official administers their line in the front court. The ball went OOB on his line he administers. If below the FT line he stays the lead. If above the FT line he would become new trail. This is FED Officials manual mechanics.

Scrapper1, this is what I was saying originally. If I'm Trail and it goes out of bounds on my sideline under the FT line, I will move down and become Lead and my partner will move up and become Trail. It's hard to administer a throw-in as Trail in the deep corner on your side.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Scrapper1, this is what I was saying originally. If I'm Trail and it goes out of bounds on my sideline under the FT line, I will move down and become Lead and my partner will move up and become Trail. It's hard to administer a throw-in as Trail in the deep corner on your side.

I have never heard of trail becoming lead on this play. You're bouncing this anyway, so there's no reason to physically go below the FT line extended. Once you bounce it, take a couple more steps up and you're in position. It's easier than bouncing the ball to the FT line extended as lead, IMO.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I have never heard of trail becoming lead on this play. You're bouncing this anyway, so there's no reason to physically go below the FT line extended. Once you bounce it, take a couple more steps up and you're in position. It's easier than bouncing the ball to the FT line extended as lead, IMO.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. That's just the way that I've done it with most partners and no evaluators have every told me differently. I'll have to check the manual.