'T' not warranted???

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So, what do you do when, during pregame warmups for the JV game, one of the players dunks? Then, you find, that he's not in the book because he's a varsity player just screwing around.

It's been discussed here ad nauseum -- with passionate arguments on both sides.

Personally, if it's clear that he's not a JV player, then just get him off the court. If you think the coach is trying to pull a fast one, issue the T.

How I hate non-player situations like this. Had a boys reserve game one night where I observed a player warming up with earrings. During captains' meeting, I emphasized no jewelry (he wasn't a captain), yet when the teams went to huddle before the tip-off, he still had the earrings in. I went over to him, and told him to get rid of the earrings. He said, I'm not playing, and when I looked at his outfit compared to the others, I realized he wasn't kidding me. What made me think he was a player, he had the same warmup shirt on. Jeez.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's been discussed here ad nauseum -- with passionate arguments on both sides.

Personally, if it's clear that he's not a JV player, then just get him off the court. If you think the coach is trying to pull a fast one, issue the T.

What fast one will the coach be trying to pull?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

What fast one will the coach be trying to pull?

If one of his players dunks prior to when the book is filled out, for example, and the coach wants to avoid the T, he can leave said player out of the lineup.

He can then have him added to the book later, but this time it's a team T only; nothing to the player or coach. Coach can also time this so that it only costs him two free throws.

[deecee]

snaq, in all due respects, thats quite the ledge you are dangling off.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

snaq, in all due respects, thats quite the ledge you are dangling off.

Tell me, then, what do you do if A55 dunks with 14 minutes on the clock. You go to report it, and the book isn't done yet. Coach says he's one of the varsity guys. What's your call?

You just asked "what fast one" the coach could be pulling. I told you; it's not my ledge.

[chartrusepengui]

[QUOTE=Snaqwells;575316]Tell me, then, what do you do if A55 dunks with 14 minutes on the clock. You go to report it, and the book isn't done yet. Coach says he's one of the varsity guys. What's your call?QUOTE]



I guess I'd T and tell the coach that an A55 just dunked when they knew they couldn't

[Texas Aggie]

what do you do when, during pregame warmups for the JV game, one of the players dunks? ... he's not in the book

Being in the book has nothing to do with anything. The Rule 10 technical reads "player." Since a "player" is one of only 5 at a given time, the rule's intent is actually "team member," which includes everyone in uniform who is eligible to be a player. The rule in Rule 10 probably should read "Player or team member" to cover times when more than 5 can be on the court -- such as pregame and warm ups. The book isn't required to be complete prior to 10 minutes before the game (and, individuals can be added later as well at the expense of a penalty), yet the officials' jurisdiction begins 15 minutes prior. You're still going to call a T for an apparent team member who dunks at 14 minutes prior even though he isn't yet in the book.

Don't make this hard: if he is a team member, T. If not, tell game management to tell them to stay off the rim. Its not your job to involve yourself with non team members.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If one of his players dunks prior to when the book is filled out, for example, and the coach wants to avoid the T, he can leave said player out of the lineup.

This point is debatable.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If one of his players dunks prior to when the book is filled out, for example, and the coach wants to avoid the T, he can leave said player out of the lineup.

He can then have him added to the book later, but this time it's a team T only; nothing to the player or coach. Coach can also time this so that it only costs him two free throws.

There is a simple way to put a stop to that.

Charge both the team T when the name is entered later AND a direct technical foul to the Head Coach for unsporting behavior.

I asked the state coordinator of officials in Nebraska (NSAA) regarding the situation in the OP and this was his response:

Probably should have skipped the technical foul. The player that dunked the ball was not part of the game being contested. He and his teammates shouldn't have been on the floor.

According to the NSAA basketball manual, teams are not permitted to shoot/warm-up at the intermission of the preceding game. In this case the athletic administrator should have been informed and the violation should have been reported to the NSAA.

Moral of story: Check with your state on how to handle this, they may already have a policy in place.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is a simple way to put a stop to that.

Charge both the team T when the name is entered later AND a direct technical foul to the Head Coach for unsporting behavior.

Are you advocating two different penalties for one action?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Are you advocating two different penalties for one action?

It's more of a delayed penalty for the earlier pregame dunk.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's more of a delayed penalty for the earlier pregame dunk.

I understand the reasoning, I'm not sure about penalizing an act that already carries it's own penalty with something on top of it. So, is he saying there would be 4 FT's for this administrative T?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Are you advocating two different penalties for one action?

I think he's advocating two T's for two separate acts. One is obviously the administrative T for adding the player to the book. The second is direct to the head coach for his deceitful actions in trying to game the system and avoid the T for the dunk.