player control?

[fullor30]

Not near rule book. Player on floor with ball firmly between legs. Player control?

Also reference # on player control. Thanks

[jdw3018]

Kicking violation.

[deecee]

kicking violation.

[BEAREF]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Kicking violation.

only if intentional....

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by BEAREF

only if intentional....

I'm assuming that if we're wondering if a player can control the ball with his/her legs, he/she is intentionally holding it there...

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Not near rule book. Player on floor with ball firmly between legs. Player control?

Also reference # on player control. Thanks

There is no rule that defines whether this is holding the ball.

There's also no rule that says this is kicking the ball.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

There's also no rule that says this is kicking the ball.

I believe this scenario fits the definition of a kicking violation.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I believe this scenario fits the definition of a kicking violation.

You might wish to revise your belief.

4-29: KICKING -- Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by mbyron

You might wish to revise your belief.

4-29: KICKING -- Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot.

And I believe it fits that description. It may be a light strike, but it's a strike.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

And I believe it fits that description. It may be a light strike, but it's a strike.

Just to play devil's advocate:
B5 is standing still with his back to the play (guarding A5) when the ball comes flying from the backcourt, bounces right behind him, and gets lodged between his legs due to no effort or movement from him.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

And I believe it fits that description. It may be a light strike, but it's a strike.

Disagree. The rule clearly states that to be a kick the player must intentionally strike the ball with the leg or foot. Leg strikes ball.

The ball "striking" or otherwise contacting the leg (lightly or otherwise) is not a kick, absent a ruling to the contrary from NFHS.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by mbyron

You might wish to revise your belief.

4-29: KICKING -- Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot.

I guess the contact with both legs holding the ball is neither intentional nor a strike...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

I guess the contact with both legs holding the ball is neither intentional nor a strike...

The question isn't whether it's intentional; it's whether it constitutes a strike. In college, it's clear due to the ruling (not the rule) that it's a strike. In high school, no such ruling exists.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

There is no rule that defines whether this is holding the ball.

There's also no rule that says this is kicking the ball.

So what your say in is that holding the ball between your legs ( which requires voluntary muscle response) is not an intentional act?

It is a kicking violation. there is a specific play in the NCAA case book that covers this. The rules are the same in FED and NCAA except for the issues with the shot clock.

[BktBallRef]

What I'm saying is that kicking the ball is defined as intentionally striking it. Squeezing the ball between your legs is NOT striking.

OHBBREF, if you think that NCAA and NFHS rules are the same except for the shot clock, you're sadly mistaken.