player control?
 

Not near rule book. Player on floor with ball firmly between legs. Player control?

Also reference # on player control. Thanks

Kicking violation.

kicking violation.

only if intentional....

I'm assuming that if we're wondering if a player can control the ball with his/her legs, he/she is intentionally holding it there...

There is no rule that defines whether this is holding the ball.

There's also no rule that says this is kicking the ball.

I believe this scenario fits the definition of a kicking violation.

So what your say in is that holding the ball between your legs ( which requires voluntary muscle response) is not an intentional act?

It is a kicking violation. there is a specific play in the NCAA case book that covers this. The rules are the same in FED and NCAA except for the issues with the shot clock.

You might wish to revise your belief.

4-29: KICKING -- Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot.

What I'm saying is that kicking the ball is defined as intentionally striking it. Squeezing the ball between your legs is NOT striking.

OHBBREF, if you think that NCAA and NFHS rules are the same except for the shot clock, you're sadly mistaken.

And I believe it fits that description. It may be a light strike, but it's a strike.

I guess the contact with both legs holding the ball is neither intentional nor a strike...:rolleyes:

Are you talking specifically about the rules for kicking violations? If not, you couldn't be more wrong.

The question isn't whether it's intentional; it's whether it constitutes a strike. In college, it's clear due to the ruling (not the rule) that it's a strike. In high school, no such ruling exists.

Just to play devil's advocate:
B5 is standing still with his back to the play (guarding A5) when the ball comes flying from the backcourt, bounces right behind him, and gets lodged between his legs due to no effort or movement from him.