A 30-on me???

[CMHCoachNRef]

An unusual situation occurred in a Girls Varsity game on Saturday (one of my varsity partners was doing the game, but I was not). Coaches complaining about some calls -- but nothing that rose to the level of a technical foul. Players complaining -- but nothing that rose to the level of a technical foul. These assumptions made based on the fact that the officials had not called any technical fouls during the game up to that point.

Midway through third quarter, the referee blew his whistle and announced to the table, "We are taking a 30-second time out on ME." He then proceeded to summon both coaches to get the players together. Once the players were assembled, he announced, "We need the players to stop complaining about our calls and play basketball."

Comments?

[Indianaref]

I bet this wasn't my Alma Mater, St. Charles HS.

However, if in your pregame you have asked the coaches and players "Can we expect that you and your players will exhibit proper sporting behavior throughout the game?" then you have every right to use the technical foul. When the coach wants to know why calmly explain they failed to exhibit proper sporting behavior.

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by Suppref

However, if in your pregame you have asked the coaches and players "Can we expect that you and your players will exhibit proper sporting behavior throughout the game?" then you have every right to use the technical foul. When the coach wants to know why calmly explain they failed to exhibit proper sporting behavior.

You use the T regardless of your pregame. Proper sporting behavior is to be expected as soon as they hit the gym, not something you have to remind them of like 4 year olds.

However, IMO the "T" should be used only when warranted. Preventative officiating goes a long way in controlling a game and earnig respect. Sometimes the player or coaches take it too far and we "whack" them.

It is what it is!!

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

An unusual situation occurred in a Girls Varsity game on Saturday (one of my varsity partners was doing the game, but I was not). Coaches complaining about some calls -- but nothing that rose to the level of a technical foul. Players complaining -- but nothing that rose to the level of a technical foul. These assumptions made based on the fact that the officials had not called any technical fouls during the game up to that point.

Midway through third quarter, the referee blew his whistle and announced to the table, "We are taking a 30-second time out on ME." He then proceeded to summon both coaches to get the players together. Once the players were assembled, he announced, "We need the players to stop complaining about our calls and play basketball."

Comments?

I've done that before - years & years ago. I forget the cimcumstances though. It was a youth league game, IIRC.

It both teams are chirping a lot, and you want to penalize it, it does seem a little unfair to T one team up and not the other, when the first T can serve as a warning for the non-T'd team. However, at this point, it is usually because an official didn't take care of earlier business - whether blowing his whistle or not.

If it's at all possible, perhaps a simultaneous unsporting T can be used?

Since you explain it that way, if you are going to use the "T", "T" them both, no shots, alternating possession and the message is served.

Lets get on with the game!!

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

I bet this wasn't my Alma Mater, St. Charles HS.

Nope, not at St. Charles. I have done many games there over the years, but this game was, indeed, somewhere else.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I've done that before - years & years ago. I forget the cimcumstances though. It was a youth league game, IIRC.

It both teams are chirping a lot, and you want to penalize it, it does seem a little unfair to T one team up and not the other, when the first T can serve as a warning for the non-T'd team. However, at this point, it is usually because an official didn't take care of earlier business - whether blowing his whistle or not.

If it's at all possible, perhaps a simultaneous unsporting T can be used?

Some things that immediately came into my mind include:
1. Where should the other two officials stand on a "30-on-me" time out?
2. How many "30-on-me"s does each official get each game?
3. What is the penalty if an official calls on "30-on-me", but does not have any left?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Suppref

Since you explain it that way, if you are going to use the "T", "T" them both, no shots, alternating possession and the message is served.

Lets get on with the game!!

Wrong in most cases.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wrong in most cases.

Right would always be: point of interruption. This would be the AP arrow when neither team had control.

Originally Posted by mbyron

Right would always be: point of interruption. This would be the AP arrow when neither team had control.

Although I don't calim to correct all the time (just most of the time), if the palyers are complaining it is usually when neither team has control, therefore, I suggested the AP for double technical.

[jdw3018]

I would suggest most times you would have a double T would be either trash-talking during a dead ball or while one team heads the other way after a play at the other end.

Neither of these situations would result in an AP throw-in. In fact, about the only time you'll have it is if you whack two guys after a shot is up and before it's rebounded - a time it would be very rare for two guys to be getting after each other in this way.

I did this once in a boys varsity game between two schools for the deaf. I didn't call a time-out, but used a dead ball opportunity to call both coaches together, and ask them to huddle with their teams for a few seconds and tell them enough of the trash-talking (signing). I did this only because I could understand it, but my partner didn't and I saw a few words exchanged. After that, it went much more smoothly.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Suppref

Although I don't calim to correct all the time (just most of the time), if the palyers are complaining it is usually when neither team has control, therefore, I suggested the AP for double technical.

Look up the definition of POI again. POI is:
1. A throwin to the team in control. or
2. a free throw or throwin when the interruption occurred during the activity or if a team is entitled to such. (this will cover all dead ball scenarios.)
3. AP arrow if neither 1 nor 2 are applicable.

The odds of having a double technical during a live ball when neither team is in control (but not during a throwin or multiple free throws) are pretty slim. It would have to be either during a missed shot, including a final free throw, (remember if a shot is made, the POI becomes the throwin for the team that did not score) or between the time a throwin pass gets tipped and a player gets control or violates.