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CMHCoachNRef Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:16am

A 30-on me???
 
An unusual situation occurred in a Girls Varsity game on Saturday (one of my varsity partners was doing the game, but I was not). Coaches complaining about some calls -- but nothing that rose to the level of a technical foul. Players complaining -- but nothing that rose to the level of a technical foul. These assumptions made based on the fact that the officials had not called any technical fouls during the game up to that point.

Midway through third quarter, the referee blew his whistle and announced to the table, "We are taking a 30-second time out on ME." He then proceeded to summon both coaches to get the players together. Once the players were assembled, he announced, "We need the players to stop complaining about our calls and play basketball."

Comments?

Indianaref Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:22am

I bet this wasn't my Alma Mater, St. Charles HS.

Suppref Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:32am

Nice try on preventative officiating.
 
However, if in your pregame you have asked the coaches and players "Can we expect that you and your players will exhibit proper sporting behavior throughout the game?" then you have every right to use the technical foul. When the coach wants to know why calmly explain they failed to exhibit proper sporting behavior.

DonInKansas Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:34am

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Originally Posted by Suppref (Post 572056)
However, if in your pregame you have asked the coaches and players "Can we expect that you and your players will exhibit proper sporting behavior throughout the game?" then you have every right to use the technical foul. When the coach wants to know why calmly explain they failed to exhibit proper sporting behavior.

You use the T regardless of your pregame. Proper sporting behavior is to be expected as soon as they hit the gym, not something you have to remind them of like 4 year olds.

Suppref Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:41am

Agreed..
 
However, IMO the "T" should be used only when warranted. Preventative officiating goes a long way in controlling a game and earnig respect. Sometimes the player or coaches take it too far and we "whack" them.

It is what it is!!

JugglingReferee Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:46am

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Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 572050)
An unusual situation occurred in a Girls Varsity game on Saturday (one of my varsity partners was doing the game, but I was not). Coaches complaining about some calls -- but nothing that rose to the level of a technical foul. Players complaining -- but nothing that rose to the level of a technical foul. These assumptions made based on the fact that the officials had not called any technical fouls during the game up to that point.

Midway through third quarter, the referee blew his whistle and announced to the table, "We are taking a 30-second time out on ME." He then proceeded to summon both coaches to get the players together. Once the players were assembled, he announced, "We need the players to stop complaining about our calls and play basketball."

Comments?


I've done that before - years & years ago. I forget the cimcumstances though. It was a youth league game, IIRC.

It both teams are chirping a lot, and you want to penalize it, it does seem a little unfair to T one team up and not the other, when the first T can serve as a warning for the non-T'd team. However, at this point, it is usually because an official didn't take care of earlier business - whether blowing his whistle or not.

If it's at all possible, perhaps a simultaneous unsporting T can be used?

Suppref Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:51am

I like it.
 
Since you explain it that way, if you are going to use the "T", "T" them both, no shots, alternating possession and the message is served.

Lets get on with the game!!

CMHCoachNRef Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:01am

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Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 572052)
I bet this wasn't my Alma Mater, St. Charles HS.

Nope, not at St. Charles. I have done many games there over the years, but this game was, indeed, somewhere else.

CMHCoachNRef Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:06am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 572063)
I've done that before - years & years ago. I forget the cimcumstances though. It was a youth league game, IIRC.

It both teams are chirping a lot, and you want to penalize it, it does seem a little unfair to T one team up and not the other, when the first T can serve as a warning for the non-T'd team. However, at this point, it is usually because an official didn't take care of earlier business - whether blowing his whistle or not.

If it's at all possible, perhaps a simultaneous unsporting T can be used?

Some things that immediately came into my mind include:
1. Where should the other two officials stand on a "30-on-me" time out?
2. How many "30-on-me"s does each official get each game?
3. What is the penalty if an official calls on "30-on-me", but does not have any left?

Adam Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:20am

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Originally Posted by Suppref (Post 572068)
Since you explain it that way, if you are going to use the "T", "T" them both, no shots, alternating possession and the message is served.

Lets get on with the game!!

Wrong in most cases.

mbyron Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:41pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 572082)
Wrong in most cases.

Right would always be: point of interruption. This would be the AP arrow when neither team had control.

Suppref Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:58pm

Exactly
 
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 572101)
Right would always be: point of interruption. This would be the AP arrow when neither team had control.

Although I don't calim to correct all the time (just most of the time), if the palyers are complaining it is usually when neither team has control, therefore, I suggested the AP for double technical.

jdw3018 Sun Jan 25, 2009 01:04pm

I would suggest most times you would have a double T would be either trash-talking during a dead ball or while one team heads the other way after a play at the other end.

Neither of these situations would result in an AP throw-in. In fact, about the only time you'll have it is if you whack two guys after a shot is up and before it's rebounded - a time it would be very rare for two guys to be getting after each other in this way.

Ref Ump Welsch Sun Jan 25, 2009 04:14pm

I did this once in a boys varsity game between two schools for the deaf. I didn't call a time-out, but used a dead ball opportunity to call both coaches together, and ask them to huddle with their teams for a few seconds and tell them enough of the trash-talking (signing). I did this only because I could understand it, but my partner didn't and I saw a few words exchanged. After that, it went much more smoothly.

Adam Sun Jan 25, 2009 06:18pm

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Originally Posted by Suppref (Post 572104)
Although I don't calim to correct all the time (just most of the time), if the palyers are complaining it is usually when neither team has control, therefore, I suggested the AP for double technical.

Look up the definition of POI again. POI is:
1. A throwin to the team in control. or
2. a free throw or throwin when the interruption occurred during the activity or if a team is entitled to such. (this will cover all dead ball scenarios.)
3. AP arrow if neither 1 nor 2 are applicable.

The odds of having a double technical during a live ball when neither team is in control (but not during a throwin or multiple free throws) are pretty slim. It would have to be either during a missed shot, including a final free throw, (remember if a shot is made, the POI becomes the throwin for the team that did not score) or between the time a throwin pass gets tipped and a player gets control or violates.


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