BC Violation

[Refsmitty]

Situation:

Player A1 in FC takes a shot - team mates and defense tip ball and A2 taps the ball back towards point guard - ball goes into BC - Is this a BC violation since player control ceases on the shot?

What if the shot was such a brick that it hit the rim and bounced into the BC with no one touching until it got to BC?

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

Situation:

Player A1 in FC takes a shot - team mates and defense tip ball and A2 taps the ball back towards point guard - ball goes into BC - Is this a BC violation since player control ceases on the shot?

What if the shot was such a brick that it hit the rim and bounced into the BC with no one touching until it got to BC?

Team control ends on the shot -- we don't evaluate quality, in this case. Therefore, until team control is established in the front court, again, there can be no back court violation.

[jdw3018]

The first thing you have to determine is if, after the try, any player from Team A had player control in the front court. If it's really just tapping the ball, then you can't have backcourt.

I had an example last night, however, of a player who jumped for a rebound, controlled the ball with one hand and attempted to pass it to a guard. The ball was high, went into the backcourt, and T got the BC violation correct.

The key was that control was established. Once you've determined that, then you have to apply the last to touch in the FC, first to touch after the ball has gone BC principle.

But, again, if player control is never established after a try (of any kind - one that hits the rim, hits the board, is an air ball - none of that matters) then you can't have a BC violation.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

The first thing you have to determine is if, after the try, any player from Team A had player control in the front court. If it's really just tapping the ball, then you can't have backcourt.

I had an example last night, however, of a player who jumped for a rebound, controlled the ball with one hand and attempted to pass it to a guard. The ball was high, went into the backcourt, and T got the BC violation correct.

Just so I understand, in your situation last night, did the player actually hold the ball with one hand before attempting the pass?

The reason I ask is because the definition of "player control" is pretty simple (4-12-1): "A player is in control when he/she is holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds." If the rebound was, for example, "re-directed" towards the guard, even though the intent was there to "re-direct", that is not necessarily considered player control by definition.

Of course, if it was clear the player caught the ball with that one hand, then passed it, then yes, your T got the call correct.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Team control ends on the shot -- we don't evaluate quality, in this case. Therefore, until team control is established in the front court, again, there can be no back court violation.

A slight change in your wording for more accuracy.

Therefore, until team control is established again, there can be no back court violation.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

A slight change in your wording for more accuracy.

Therefore, until team control is established again, there can be no back court violation.

Stupid comma..........

[stosh]

On the same subject, A1 dribbling the ball in FC has the ball slapped away by B1 and the ball goes into BC. When does the 10 second count start? We've had some discussion on this and I say that it starts as soon as the ball hits in the BC.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by stosh

On the same subject, A1 dribbling the ball in FC has the ball slapped away by B1 and the ball goes into BC. When does the 10 second count start? We've had some discussion on this and I say that it starts as soon as the ball hits in the BC.

If the team is inbounding the ball from the endline, when do you start the count?

What exactly is the count limiting?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

If the team is inbounding the ball from the endline, when do you start the count?

What exactly is the count limiting?

On a throwin, the count starts when team control has been established. In this situation, team control is never lost. Stosh is right, start as soon as the ball gains bc status.

[mbyron]

I wasn't following the thread and didn't know that one team had team-control. Carry on.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Of course, if it was clear the player caught the ball with that one hand, then passed it, then yes, your T got the call correct.

That's exactly what happened. While in the air, A1 caught the ball with one hand, and attempted a pass out to a guard. Overthrow ended up in the backcourt where A2 recovered, hence the violation.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

What if the shot was such a brick that it hit the rim and bounced into the BC with no one touching until it got to BC?

Anyone please define the *Brick*.

I thought a *brick* was a ball that missed badly or did not bounce off the rim well. I dunno.
Thanks.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mick

Anyone please define the *Brick*.

I thought a *brick* was a ball that missed badly or did not bounce off the rim well. I dunno.
Thanks.

To me, a brick is a low-arc shot that hits hard on the rim without really coming close to going in.

[APG]

Originally Posted by stosh

On the same subject, A1 dribbling the ball in FC has the ball slapped away by B1 and the ball goes into BC. When does the 10 second count start? We've had some discussion on this and I say that it starts as soon as the ball hits in the BC.

From the 08-09 NFHS Interpretations:


SITUATION 8: A1 is dribbling in his/her frontcourt when B1 deflects the ball into A's backcourt. The ball is bouncing toward the end line in A's backcourt while A1 and B1 give chase. B1 and A1 each contact the ball, but neither gains control. Finally, after numerous attempts by each player, A1 gains possession deep in A's backcourt. When does the 10-second count begin anew for Team A? RULING: The count starts as soon as the ball goes into the backcourt since team control has not ended. (4-12-3; 9-8)

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

To me, a brick is a low-arc shot that hits hard on the rim without really coming close to going in.

Simply check out the 10,785 YouTube videos of Shaq attempting FT's.