BC violation or not?

[slow whistle]

What if the ball wasn't "secured" in the FC - same as OP, but the fumble was just fumbled back to BC where it was touched by A1?

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

What if the ball wasn't "secured" in the FC - same as OP, but the fumble was just fumbled back to BC where it was touched by A1?

Team A has team control of the ball in Back Court. A1 passes the ball to A2. A2 has 'Front Court' status and the ball hits him/her and deflects back into 'Back Court', then the next person to touch the ball is a player from Team A. A Back Court violation has occured.
If this play originates from a throw-in, then there is no violation. There is 1 element of 'Back Court' violation missing. That element is Front Court Status.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

If this play originates from a throw-in, then there is no violation. There is 1 element of 'Back Court' violation missing. That element is Front Court Status.

Actually, the important element missing is Team Control since your situation involves a touch/fumble immediately following a throw-in. No team control has been established -- therefore, no violation regardless where ball is being touched/fumbled by the offense.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Actually, the important element missing is Team Control since your situation involves a touch/fumble immediately following a throw-in. No team control has been established -- therefore, no violation regardless where ball is being touched/fumbled by the offense.

You are right. I got distracted. Thus I wrote the wrong statement. Thanks for correcting my statement.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Team A has team control of the ball in Back Court. A1 passes the ball to A2. A2 has 'Front Court' status and the ball hits him/her and deflects back into 'Back Court', then the next person to touch the ball is a player from Team A. A Back Court violation has occured.
If this play originates from a throw-in, then there is no violation. There is 1 element of 'Back Court' violation missing. That element is Front Court Status.

Actually, in this case the ball has frontcourt status. The element which is missing is team control in the frontcourt.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

What if the ball wasn't "secured" in the FC - same as OP, but the fumble was just fumbled back to BC where it was touched by A1?

Depends on who touched it last in the FC. If B, no violation. If A, violation.

For example: A has team control in FC. B tips the ball away. A1 fumbles in FC, goes to BC, secures ball (or even touches it). This is a BC violation.

[Refsmitty]

After reading the entire thread I am now confused


I thought all three points - two feet and the ball had to establish front court status. If I catch the ball with both feet in the frontcourt and the ball is caught with my hands in the backcourt - is that a violation? If both feet are in the fc and I am dribbling in the bc is that a violation?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

After reading the entire thread I am now confused


I thought all three points - two feet and the ball had to establish front court status. If I catch the ball with both feet in the frontcourt and the ball is caught with my hands in the backcourt - is that a violation?

No. If you catch it with both feet in the frontcourt and the ball in the backcourt, as long as you don't dribble the ball in the BC you're fine. The ball has FC status in this situation.

If both feet are in the fc and I am dribbling in the bc is that a violation?

Not if you're a dribbler and you haven't established FC status yet.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

After reading the entire thread I am now confused


I thought all three points - two feet and the ball had to establish front court status. If I catch the ball with both feet in the frontcourt and the ball is caught with my hands in the backcourt - is that a violation? If both feet are in the fc and I am dribbling in the bc is that a violation?

Air space has nothing to do with FC or BC, thus it won't affect a BC violation.

Three points only applies to a dribbler crossing from BC to FC. If you catch the ball with your feet in the FC, the ball is now in the FC. If you catch the ball with one foot in the air and the other in the FC, the ball now has FC status, with all of the rights (stoping the 10 second count) and restrictions (not able to return to BC) that go with it.

[Refsmitty]

Got it! Thanks