Held Ball at the end of the 30 sec shot clock

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by rbruno

Just happened tonight and I feel we messed it up. NHSF rules in Massachusetts.
White is shooting and the 30 sec shot clock is winding down. The ball never hits the rim and we have a held ball just BEFORE the horn sounds the violation.
The arrow is in whites direction. My partner and I confer and agree that the whistle for the held ball just preceeded the horn but with less than a second left. We can't reset the 30 sec clock to less than a second. My partner thinks we have to reset to 30 sec and give the ball to white as it is their arrow.
What should we have done here????

Under CA modified rules for shot clock, you reset on a simultaneous held ball after any shot attempt, whether it hits the rim or not. However, for NCAA - no reset.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by socalreff

Under CA modified rules for shot clock, you reset on a simultaneous held ball after any shot attempt, whether it hits the rim or not. However, for NCAA - no reset.

In our area we go with no reset if the offensive team has the arrow going their way. Not sure whose modified rules we're using.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by socalreff

Under CA modified rules for shot clock, you reset on a simultaneous held ball after any shot attempt, whether it hits the rim or not. However, for NCAA - no reset.

What set of CA modified rules are you using? I have never seen this one before. We have always gone with the NCAA.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by deecee

What set of CA modified rules are you using? I have never seen this one before. We have always gone with the FED.

There are no fed rules for the shot clock. Massachusetts uses NCAA rules...sort of. The NCAA guidelines for shot clock operators are posted on the MIAA web site, (with a modification for a full 30-second reset on kick balls), but they are not comprehensive.

The MIAA rules that sanction the shot clock say only this: The 30-second shot clock will be utilized at all levels in both boys and girls games.

It does not reference the NCAA rules as the "authority" or basis for the details of implementing the shot clock. There is an effort underway to have a full, formal rule set for the shot clock by next season.

[2SportOff]

MIAA - Adapted from NCAA Basketball 2008 Men's and Women's Rules Interpretations

Art. 6 Stop the Timing Device and Reset it:
c. When a Held Ball Occurs (exceptions: Rules 2-11-7.e, 2-11-7.i and 2-11-7.j)

Rule 2-11-7 is the continuing play without a reset
*HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE*
On the MIAA Site
J. states:
After a simultaneous held ball as described in rule 4-37 occurs during a throw-in and the alternating possesion arrow favors the throw-in team; and

In the NCAA Manual "J" also states: (women) after an unsuccesful try that does not contact the ring or flange and the alternating possession favors the throw-in/shooting team.

So, MIAA leaves out the Women's exception on there web-site, so I take it as they are using the Men's NCAA rule so in this case there would be a reset. If, of course, I am reading things correctly.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by 2SportOff

So, MIAA leaves out the Women's exception on there web-site, so I take it as they are using the Men's NCAA rule so in this case there would be a reset. If, of course, I am reading things correctly.

The shot clock information was placed on the Web site last year...and followed the NCAA protocol exactly, because it was taken directly from the NCAA. No one from the MIAA or the MIAA Basketball Committee wrote those rules, nor were they edited to properly reflect the actual Massachusetts practice regarding resetting the clock in certain situations. They were finally changed two weeks ago...but a comprehensive review is still needed.

The MIAA is aware of this and the basketball committee is supposed to deal with it after this season.