Continuous Motion

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

but the motion is continual from the gather through the lay up of the ball...

the motion of a jump stop, is a stop, which in my opinion is a stop of motion, therefore, I call it on the floor.
the explaination has always worked for me when I had to give it.
Coach he stopped!

Player dribbling down the left side of lane, jumpstops and gets hit and knocked to the floor?

if you call it going up, how did you make that determination?

Tell me you don't say these words.

Just because the feet come to a stop doesn't mean the hands do. I see no rules basis for your distinction.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Tell me you don't say these words.

I never say "these words" and I try very hard not to say "on the floor".

I go with "No Shot"!

I see the point you are trying to make, I guess we are just philosophically opposed here.
Of course it does help to make this call when you see the whole play, and call it in the context of the game you have going on.
Because I know that I have in my lifetime probably give an "and one" (never say those words) on this play.

So the lesson is to see the whole play and then make the call!

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

I never say "these words" and I try very hard not to say "on the floor".

I go with "No Shot"!

I see the point you are trying to make, I guess we are just philosophically opposed here.
Of course it does help to make this call when you see the whole play, and call it in the context of the game you have going on.
Because I know that I have in my lifetime probably give an "and one" (never say those words) on this play.

So the lesson is to see the whole play and then make the call!

And I'm sure there have been times where I have called this "no shot" also...agreed it is often an "instinct" call, but after it happened I promised that I would try to get a rules/case based interpretation to defend my gut instinct...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

I never say "these words" and I try very hard not to say "on the floor".

I go with "No Shot"!

I see the point you are trying to make, I guess we are just philosophically opposed here.
Of course it does help to make this call when you see the whole play, and call it in the context of the game you have going on.
Because I know that I have in my lifetime probably give an "and one" (never say those words) on this play.

So the lesson is to see the whole play and then make the call!

Good. You scared me referencing it twice. "On the floor" means nothing, but I'm sure you know that.

We're in basic agreement here, I think.