Continuous Motion

[Scrapper1]

If the push was before A1 landed, then I would not award continuous motion. In other words, if the sequence was

• A1 jumps off one foot
• B1 pushes A1
• A1 lands on two feet
• A1 jumps and shoots the ball

I think the foul has occurred before the start of the shooting motion. So he's not allowed to complete the motion and score. JMO, without seeing it.

EDIT: It would be different if you thought that A1 was actually trying to shoot the ball when he jumped off one foot. If you feel that B1's foul stopped his act of shooting and forced him to land, then it's a shooting foul. But if the jump was obviously part of the jump stop, no free throws from me.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If the push was before A1 landed, then I would not award continuous motion. In other words, if the sequence was

• A1 jumps off one foot
• B1 pushes A1
• A1 lands on two feet
• A1 jumps and shoots the ball

I think the foul has occurred before the start of the shooting motion. So he's not allowed to complete the motion and score. JMO, without seeing it.

EDIT: It would be different if you thought that A1 was actually trying to shoot the ball when he jumped off one foot. If you feel that B1's foul stopped his act of shooting and forced him to land, then it's a shooting foul. But if the jump was obviously part of the jump stop, no free throws from me.

That is essentially the sequence and I don't believe he was going up off of one foot, but couldn't this be considered part of the "usual foot or body movement in any activity" that A1 is allowed if pivoting or stepping (Fed CB 6.7 Comment - admittedly doesn't mention jump stop) that is allowed per the continous motion provision? He never put the ball back on the ground...the fact that he has already made this same motion and shot the ball doesn't hold any weight as far as being part of his "usual shooting motion"?

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If the push was before A1 landed, then I would not award continuous motion. In other words, if the sequence was

• A1 jumps off one foot
• B1 pushes A1
• A1 lands on two feet
• A1 jumps and shoots the ball

I think the foul has occurred before the start of the shooting motion. So he's not allowed to complete the motion and score. JMO, without seeing it.

EDIT: It would be different if you thought that A1 was actually trying to shoot the ball when he jumped off one foot. If you feel that B1's foul stopped his act of shooting and forced him to land, then it's a shooting foul. But if the jump was obviously part of the jump stop, no free throws from me.

what he said!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If the push was before A1 landed, then I would not award continuous motion. In other words, if the sequence was

• A1 jumps off one foot
• B1 pushes A1
• A1 lands on two feet
• A1 jumps and shoots the ball

I think the foul has occurred before the start of the shooting motion. So he's not allowed to complete the motion and score. JMO, without seeing it.

EDIT: It would be different if you thought that A1 was actually trying to shoot the ball when he jumped off one foot. If you feel that B1's foul stopped his act of shooting and forced him to land, then it's a shooting foul. But if the jump was obviously part of the jump stop, no free throws from me.

I disagree, I think this can be included in the habitual shooting motion; just like on a layup.

[OHBBREF]

I do not think that you can call this a shooting foul becuase of the jump stop.

here is the reason if the player gathers and goes up directly it is the normal shooting motion.
however if the play executes a jump stop, that is another motion completly, then they go up it would be the shooting motion.
So IMHO if the player is fouled and then "Jump Stop" we are on the floor the foul is not shooting because the "Stop" means that is what they did, and that is not continuos motion by definition.

You can tell if the player was fouled hard enough to cause them not to be able to complete the shooting motion and very rarely is the ball going up while a player is executing a jump stop as it would be if they were in the middle of try. So for those of you who say that we can not make the judgment as to what they were doing once the ball was gathered I beg to differ in this case.

[Adam]

Let me just ask this:

If a player on his way to a layup is fouled prior to planting his final foot, do you give him continuous motion?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let me just ask this:

If a player on his way to a layup is fouled prior to planting his final foot, do you give him continuous motion?

on a lay up I do - because that is part of the motion of going to the basket, executing a Jump Stop is coming from one legal position to another and pausing ever so slightly then continuing on.

in that process as I said the ball is rarely being lifted to the basket, it usually comes down and then goes back up. and that is not a part of the habitual shooting motion.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

on a lay up I do - because that is part of the motion of going to the basket, executing a Jump Stop is coming from one legal position to another and pausing ever so slightly then continuing on.

in that process as I said the ball is rarely being lifted to the basket, it usually comes down and then goes back up. and that is not a part of the habitual shooting motion.

Why?

I don't think the blue is relevant.

How many layups do you see that start with the ball moving down once it's gathered? Quite a few.

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Agreed, the ball often comes down during that last step before a layup...and often times there is a pass rather than a shot when a player goes up to attempt a layup, so we can't even say that the intent is clear that someone who goes "in" for a layup is in fact going to attempt a shot....is it the pause of the jump stop that throws people off? I'll admit it did look a little goofy due to the time lapse, but I can't find anything rules/case wise that tells me that he can't complete that motion...

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

How many layups do you see that start with the ball moving down once it's gathered? Quite a few.

but the motion is continual from the gather through the lay up of the ball...

the motion of a jump stop, is a stop, which in my opinion is a stop of motion, therefore, I call it on the floor.
the explaination has always worked for me when I had to give it.
Coach he stopped!

Player dribbling down the left side of lane, jumpstops and gets hit and knocked to the floor?

if you call it going up, how did you make that determination?