NCAA Rule Clarification

[aschramm]

Hey guys,
I was just at a D-1 game tonight (UW-Green Bay @ UW-Milwaukee, Horizon League). Late in the game A0 for Milwaukee drove in the lane, made contact with a B defender, scored the basket and was called for a foul. The basket counted, and then B took over possession from the foul. I'm assuming the call would have been a player control foul? I didn't have the best look since it was happening away from me, but A0 probably shot the ball, and made contact with the B defender in the air. Could someone please post the difference between Player Control and a Charge? THANKS

[ODJ]

In NCAA if the ball is released and then player control contact happens, score bucket and charge a foul. If ball not released first, no score.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by aschramm

Hey guys,
I was just at a D-1 game tonight (UW-Green Bay @ UW-Milwaukee, Horizon League). Late in the game A0 for Milwaukee drove in the lane, made contact with a B defender, scored the basket and was called for a foul. The basket counted, and then B took over possession from the foul. I'm assuming the call would have been a player control foul? I didn't have the best look since it was happening away from me, but A0 probably shot the ball, and made contact with the B defender in the air. Could someone please post the difference between Player Control and a Charge? THANKS

Player control ends after a player has released the ball for a field goal attempt or a pass in NCAA Men's Rules. If A0, after releasing the ball for a field goal attempt, makes contact with B1 while the ball was live, the official must determine whether the contact is illegal or incidental. If the contact is illegal it is a foul. The foul is a person foul and can either be a common (but not a player control or team control) foul, an intentional foul, or a flagrant foul.

It the play you described it was ruled a common foul and Team B was not in the bonus so it received the ball for a throw-in for A0's foul.

A player control foul is a common foul committed by a player who is control (holding or dribbling) of the ball. See NCAA R4-S29-A2.a.1.

The definition of charging is found in NCAA R4-S10-A1: "Charging is illegal personal contact by pushing or moving into an opponent’s torso."

MTD, Sr.

[aschramm]

@MTD Sr,
So really it was a charging foul then if the rules state a person control foul can only happen when an A player has control of the ball.

Actually, I should've clarified in the OP, they counted the basket, and then team B went to shoot free throws since they were in the bonus.


PS- there were some bad 'fanboys' in our section...the best one came at toward the end of the game with one yelling, "THATS INTENTIONAL" during an obvious fouling situation to stop the clock.

[Jburt]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Player control ends after a player has released the ball for a field goal attempt or a pass in NCAA Men's Rules. If A0, after releasing the ball for a field goal attempt, makes contact with B1 while the ball was live, the official must determine whether the contact is illegal or incidental. If the contact is illegal it is a foul. The foul is a person foul and can either be a common (but not a player control or team control) foul, an intentional foul, or a flagrant foul.

It the play you described it was ruled a common foul and Team B was not in the bonus so it received the ball for a throw-in for A0's foul.

A player control foul is a common foul committed by a player who is control (holding or dribbling) of the ball. See NCAA R4-S29-A2.a.1.

The definition of charging is found in NCAA R4-S10-A1: "Charging is illegal personal contact by pushing or moving into an opponent’s torso."

MTD, Sr.

This is similiar to the NFHS rule correct? Once the airborne shooter has one foot on the ground and commits a charging foul, score the hoop and shoot the bonus at the other end?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by aschramm

PS- there were some bad 'fanboys' in our section...the best one came at toward the end of the game with one yelling, "THATS INTENTIONAL" during an obvious fouling situation to stop the clock.

Well, was he right?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jburt

This is similiar to the NFHS rule correct? Once the airborne shooter has one foot on the ground and commits a charging foul, score the hoop and shoot the bonus at the other end?

In high school, and airborne shooter is considered to have player control until he lands.

In college, player control ends immediately upon the release of the try.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ODJ

In NCAA if the ball is released and then player control contact happens, score bucket and charge a foul. If ball not released first, no score.

That's NCAAM only. The NCAAW rule is the same as FED

[aschramm]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Well, was he right?

Yes, but I believe he was yelling that because he wanted an intentional/flagrant foul called, and not just a personal foul.

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by aschramm

Yes, but I believe he was yelling that because he wanted an intentional/flagrant foul called, and not just a personal foul.

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

My point was that just because it's "an obvious fouling situation to stop the clock" does not mean an intentional foul is not the right call. It's not even really relevant to whether or not the foul should be ruled intentional.

So, my question, "Was he right, should it have been intentional?" still stands.

[aschramm]

Oh, no. It was just a foul reaching in for the ball. Nothing too physical about it at all.

[Adam]

Got it. The fan thought it should be an intentional simply because it was "an obvious fouling situation to stop the clock." That makes sense.