Interesting T

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by deecee

Either way he will learn, as long as someone tells him.

So, let me get serious for a second - are you saying you would not penalize unsporting behavior, as long as "someone tells him"? Do you not call a travel on a drive to the basket, as long as the coach tells him, "Good move, except you traveled on that; don't do that anymore"?

What if the other team asks if you screwed them out of a couple of FT's and a possesion because you didn't make the proper call? As long someone tells the player, it's ok?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

So, let me get serious for a second - are you saying you would not penalize unsporting behavior, as long as "someone tells him"? Do you not call a travel on a drive to the basket, as long as the coach tells him, "Good move, except you traveled on that; don't do that anymore"?

What if the other team asks if you screwed them out of a couple of FT's and a possesion because you didn't make the proper call? As long someone tells the player, it's ok?

I can always count on someone on this forum to compare apples to oranges. How often have you seen this?

Im 8 years I can probably count on less than half the fingers on one hand how many times I have. I think consensus among players are that you cannot do this. The 1 in 5-10 years I see this and it goes down the way I said it would have to, to not get a T, I will act accordingly.

Now to anticipate the next "what if" -- if now every player in that game starts doing this, well then once one player gets his quick little "cut that out" chat I will T. but again, we can argue what ifs until we get carpral tunnel. But this isnt really an issue that comes up often at all. Spiking is pretty much a football move.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by deecee

I can always count on someone on this forum to compare apples to oranges.

It's apples and kumquats, by the way. Get it right.

Originally Posted by deecee

How often have you seen this?

Not very often, but how often I've seen it doesn't matter. I was commenting on your statement about simply talking to a player when you see (very likely) unsporting behavior instead of penalizing it.

It's been a couple of years snce I had a coach literally get in my face to protest a call. But, even though I haven't seen it that often, I will still penalize it when I do, rather than try to wait for "someone to tell them" they shouldn't do that.

Frequency of occurance isn't a good barometer on when to talk to a player and when to penalize.

[deecee]

M&M I agree with most of what you say -- there are some instances where a T isnt necessary when it COULD be called. This is one of them. As much as I am an advocate of an official not also playing the part of a coach, there are moments where one can be a teacher and it doesn't effect anything. This is one of those rare moments.

But again I would not say anything to a partner for calling this T, in fact I would probably say "good call" because after all its not a bad call. Its just not one that I would call if it were clear that a player did this out of frustration for turning it over and especially when the period was ending.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

Its just not one that I would call if it were clear that a player did this out of frustration for turning it over and especially when the period was ending.

Of course a player can be frustrated. S/he also need to handle the frustration properly and deal with the consequences if s/he doesn't.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

..... I would probably say "good call" because after all its not a bad call.

This struck me. I bet Billy Mac gets it.

[deecee]

I am not saying or trying to to argue that anyone else shouldnt call the T if they want, I have just been expressing what I would do and my reasoning for it. Just because I disagree with how someone will handle a situation doesn't mean I will criticize their choice and what they did. You can have 2 "good" options on how to handle 1 situation with 2 completly different outcomes.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

It's apples and kumquats, by the way. Get it right.

M&M Guy:

That is not right either. It is dollars to donuts, opps that is betting dollars to donuts. Me bad.

MTD, Sr.