Interesting T

[deecee]

In this, if it is clear that the player is just upset at himself, I would let it go and have a word with him. If there is more time on the clock I would just blow the whistle for an officials time out and have the same word with player.

I wouldn't T a player showing frustration at himself in this manner without at least having a chat with him.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

In this, if it is clear that the player is just upset at himself, I would let it go and have a word with him. If there is more time on the clock I would just blow the whistle for an officials time out and have the same word with player.

I wouldn't T a player showing frustration at himself in this manner without at least having a chat with him.

"to the rafters...." Really?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

"to the rafters...." Really?

So, what at what height is the dividing line between "automatic T" and telling the little sh!t to knock it off?

(I'm kinda enjoying channeling our Ancient Dinosaur.)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

So, what at what height is the dividing line between "automatic T" and telling the little sh!t to knock it off?

(I'm kinda enjoying channeling our Ancient Dinosaur.)

It's somewhere between 5 feet and the rafters.

Now, STFU.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's somewhere between 5 feet and the rafters.

Now, STFU.

A player can bounce the ball in anger as high as he wants, but if the ball comes down it is a TF, .

MTD, Sr.

[deecee]

Ill give the kid the benefit of the doubt here. Its not like this is a rampantly occuring item during games where we need to worry about will the kid learn a lesson or not from a T or not T. Either way he will learn, as long as someone tells him.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by deecee

Either way he will learn, as long as someone tells him.

So, let me get serious for a second - are you saying you would not penalize unsporting behavior, as long as "someone tells him"? Do you not call a travel on a drive to the basket, as long as the coach tells him, "Good move, except you traveled on that; don't do that anymore"?

What if the other team asks if you screwed them out of a couple of FT's and a possesion because you didn't make the proper call? As long someone tells the player, it's ok?

[Adam]

Quickest way for him to learn is with a T. And no coach in the world will question a T on a ball bounced to the rafters. Neither would any assigner that I know of. I'd have a harder time justifying not calling this when the other coach wonders why it wasn't called and asks my assigner.

[Bishopcolle]

Originally Posted by deecee

Ill give the kid the benefit of the doubt here. Its not like this is a rampantly occuring item during games where we need to worry about will the kid learn a lesson or not from a T or not T. Either way he will learn, as long as someone tells him.

I can't disagree with you more.....In this situation, you give him the T even HE expects, and then give him counseling (if you so desire.) He knows he earned the T, and he will disrespect you for not giving it to him...IMHO....

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

A player can bounce the ball in anger as high as he wants, but if the ball comes down it is a TF, .

MTD, Sr.

I've always wanted to ask you this: what happens if the ball gets stuck up in the rafters? Do you tell the kid to go buy a lottery ticket, because this is apparently his lucky day?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I've always wanted to ask you this: what happens if the ball gets stuck up in the rafters? Do you tell the kid to go buy a lottery ticket, because this is apparently his lucky day?

ROFLMAO!!

MTD, Sr.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by deecee

In this, if it is clear that the player is just upset at himself, I would let it go and have a word with him. If there is more time on the clock I would just blow the whistle for an officials time out and have the same word with player.

Shirley - you jest!

An official does not have the authority to charge a timeout to himself
fed.
rule 5 section 8
NOTE: When a player is injured as in Art. 2(a), the official may suspend play after the ball is dead or is in control of the injured player's team or when the opponents complete a play. A play is completed when a team loses control (including throwing for goal) or withholds the ball from play by ceasing to attempt to score or advance the ball to a scoring position. When necessary to protect an injured player, the official may immediately suspend play.

for NCAA case play rule sites
A.R. 128. When an official on his or her own initiative stops play to protect
an injured player, should a timeout be charged to the team?
RULING: No. After stopping play, the official should ask the player
if the player desires a timeout. When the player does not, play shall
be resumed immediately. When the player is not ready to resume play
immediately, a substitution is required or his/her team may request a
timeout. No official has the authority to charge a timeout to himself
or herself.
(Rule 5-10.6 and 5-13.2)


I do not believe there is a difference in FED.
but to do that to discuss not giving a player a T
you might have a problem there

[deecee]

We stop the clock for many reasons. If after a score the ball takes an odd bounce and rolls under the bleachers. To tie ones shoes. Whatever. This is a stoppage of play for about 3-5 seconds.

As for how high the ball goes -- I dont care -- it could enter orbit, height has no bearing on whether or not I T, it certainly doesn't when it comes to a legal dribble or not as well.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Shirley - you jest!

An official does not have the authority to charge a timeout to himself

Does it really matter what we call it?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Does it really matter what we call it?

Well it does matter but that wasn't really my point,
my point was that he was going to take time out /suspend play to discuss the behavior of player who had slammed the ball "into the rafters" according to the OP.
Even if that is just in frustration that has to be a T.
The child has to learn to take responsibility for their actions and control themselves and saying it doesn't matter how high they slam it you are not going to T - them you are going to talk them down is a problem for the game.
you are not there to be a counsler.

Yes I have done it with kids - used some dead ball time to stop a situation from going any further, with two players involved yes, but not for something that would be this blatant.

I am just saying do not go coaching and counseling players individually in situations where everyone already thinks there should be a T.