Interesting T

[kjsref]

What is proper administration for the following play?

A1 in-bounding the ball to A2 after a made basket, B2 steals the ball
for a lay-up and two points. A1 grabs the ball and slams the ball off
the floor and to the rafters out of frustration. A1 is assessed a
technical foul as part of the first quarter, but so close to the end of
the first quarter that the clock cannot be stopped. Possession arrow to
start the second period is for team A.

[ma_ref]

Since the T came before the end of the 1st quarter, you shoot the T free throws as part of the 1Q. Start 2Q like you normally would - arrow favors team A.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

Since the T came before the end of the 1st quarter, you shoot the T free throws as part of the 1Q. Start 2Q like you normally would - arrow favors team A.

what he said, in both Fed and NCAA.

[kjsref]

So you are inbounding the ball per the possession arrow????

Are you not penalizing B by not giving them a thow to follow the free throw shots???

[Adam]

Originally Posted by kjsref

So you are inbounding the ball per the possession arrow????

Are you not penalizing B by not giving them a thow to follow the free throw shots???

Penalties from one period cannot carry over to the next. You're not penalizing B, you're just not carrying over a 1st quarter penalty into the 2nd quarter. B just ran out of time.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by kjsref

So you are inbounding the ball per the possession arrow????

If the violation or foul occured before the horn - No part of the penalty can carry over into the next period.

Example: pos A with team A

A2 travels under the same circumstances too close to the end the first period that the clock could not stop.

Is it fair that team A gets the ball back?

[kjsref]

who has a rule reference from the NFHS books regarding this matter?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by kjsref

who has a rule reference from the NFHS books regarding this matter?

Anyone with a rule book. Sorry, couldn't help it. If one isn't provided today, I'll try to remember to look it up when I get home tonight.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by kjsref

who has a rule reference from the NFHS books regarding this matter?

5-6-2 (Exc)3

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Anyone with a rule book. Sorry, couldn't help it. If one isn't provided today, I'll try to remember to look it up when I get home tonight.

rule 5
section 6
exceptions

4. If a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end a quarter or extra period, the next quarter or extra period is started by administering the free throws. This applies when the foul occurs after any quarter has ended, including the fourth quarter, provided there is to be an extra period. If there is no way to determine whether there will be an extra period until the free throws are administered, the free throws are attempted immediately, as if the foul had been part of the preceding quarter.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by kjsref

who has a rule reference from the NFHS books regarding this matter?

NFHS R5-S6, Exception 3: "If a foul occurs so near the expiration of time that the timer cannot get the clock stopped before time expires or after time expires, but while the ball is in flight during a try or tap for field goal. The quarter or extra period ends when the free throw(s) and all related activity have been completed. No penalty or part of a penalty carries over from one quarter or extra period to the next, except when a correctable error, as in 2-10, is rectified. No free throw(s) shall be attempted after time has expired for the fourth quarter or any extra period, unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game."

NCAA R5-S7-A3c: "When a foul occurs so near the expiration of time that the official timer cannot stop the game clock before time expires or when the
foul occurs after time expires but while the ball is in flight during a try, the period shall end when the free throw(s) and all related activity have been completed."

MTD, Sr.

[deecee]

In this, if it is clear that the player is just upset at himself, I would let it go and have a word with him. If there is more time on the clock I would just blow the whistle for an officials time out and have the same word with player.

I wouldn't T a player showing frustration at himself in this manner without at least having a chat with him.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

In this, if it is clear that the player is just upset at himself, I would let it go and have a word with him. If there is more time on the clock I would just blow the whistle for an officials time out and have the same word with player.

I wouldn't T a player showing frustration at himself in this manner without at least having a chat with him.

"to the rafters...." Really?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

"to the rafters...." Really?

So, what at what height is the dividing line between "automatic T" and telling the little sh!t to knock it off?

(I'm kinda enjoying channeling our Ancient Dinosaur.)

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by deecee

In this, if it is clear that the player is just upset at himself, I would let it go and have a word with him. If there is more time on the clock I would just blow the whistle for an officials time out and have the same word with player.

Shirley - you jest!

An official does not have the authority to charge a timeout to himself
fed.
rule 5 section 8
NOTE: When a player is injured as in Art. 2(a), the official may suspend play after the ball is dead or is in control of the injured player's team or when the opponents complete a play. A play is completed when a team loses control (including throwing for goal) or withholds the ball from play by ceasing to attempt to score or advance the ball to a scoring position. When necessary to protect an injured player, the official may immediately suspend play.

for NCAA case play rule sites
A.R. 128. When an official on his or her own initiative stops play to protect
an injured player, should a timeout be charged to the team?
RULING: No. After stopping play, the official should ask the player
if the player desires a timeout. When the player does not, play shall
be resumed immediately. When the player is not ready to resume play
immediately, a substitution is required or his/her team may request a
timeout. No official has the authority to charge a timeout to himself
or herself.
(Rule 5-10.6 and 5-13.2)


I do not believe there is a difference in FED.
but to do that to discuss not giving a player a T
you might have a problem there