At the risk of making Bob Jenkins *sigh*...

[referee99]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You used the term "ball position". Did you mean "Ball Location?" (note the initial caps -- meaning it's a defined term in the book).

In any event, in NCAA rules (and I'm doing this from memory) there are two causes for a shot-clock violaition:

a) Not releasing a try before the horn sounds
b) A try not striking the ring before the horn sounds.

In A, since the violation is for not releasing the ball, the inbounds spot will be near the BAll Location at the time of the horn.

In B, since the violation is not hitting the ring, the inbounds spot will be where the ball missed the ring -- in 99.99999% of the cases, that will be at the FT lane extended under the basket (you might have some case where a shot is so poor that it has no chance of entering the basket and becomes dead well before nearing the basket -- I wouldn't pick that nit in any game, I don't think).

But here is where I am confused... you chapped my hide about the simplicity of the Ball Location rule 4-4-3 in this post.
A ball which is in flight retains the same location as when it was last in contact with a player or the court.

I buy in. I own this rule now. I'm feeling good.

Now shot clock issue comes into my cranial cavity. Try in flight, horn sounds, try ends (in this case) when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful OR it hits the floor. If I blow my whistle when shot is clearly unsuccessful, say it is a foot or two short, BEFORE it contacts the floor, the violation 'occurred' where the shooter released the try, correct? I mean, coming from 4-4-3, its a no-brainer that we are inbounding near where the shooter released the try. And even if it hits the floor, the throw was clearly unsuccessful for a time between passing the height of the basket and the floor.