At the risk of making Bob Jenkins *sigh*...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by referee99

CIF rules state the same: "Ball is inbounded where the violation occurs."

How do we determine where the violation occurs, if not ball position?

You used the term "ball position". Did you mean "Ball Location?" (note the initial caps -- meaning it's a defined term in the book).

In any event, in NCAA rules (and I'm doing this from memory) there are two causes for a shot-clock violaition:

a) Not releasing a try before the horn sounds
b) A try not striking the ring before the horn sounds.

In A, since the violation is for not releasing the ball, the inbounds spot will be near the BAll Location at the time of the horn.

In B, since the violation is not hitting the ring, the inbounds spot will be where the ball missed the ring -- in 99.99999% of the cases, that will be at the FT lane extended under the basket (you might have some case where a shot is so poor that it has no chance of entering the basket and becomes dead well before nearing the basket -- I wouldn't pick that nit in any game, I don't think).