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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 11:24am
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Poi?

no monsieur. not the french!

Team A throws long pass towards their basket.
As the ball approaches them, A2 and B2 fight vigorously for position to catch the pass. Double foul called on A2 and B2! Ball was in close proximity to players when fouls occurred.

Where is ball inbounded if: a) it was inbounds pass was on throw-in from the endline, or b) thrown from opponents FT line. or c) thrown from backcourt near table?
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 11:31am
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In each of your cases, the ball is put back in play at the spot closest to where the ball was last in contact with the floor or a player.

1) Original throw-in spot
2) Endline
3) Backcourt, near the table.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 11:36am
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Where is ball inbounded if: a) it was inbounds pass was on throw-in from the endline, or b) thrown from opponents FT line. or c) thrown from backcourt near table?
a) Hard to read, do you mean it was a throw-in baseball pass?

b & c) The throw-in should be from where the pass originated if the double foul was prior to the pass being completed.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 11:36am
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and on a try that misses?

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In each of your cases, the ball is put back in play at the spot closest to where the ball was last in contact with the floor or a player.

1) Original throw-in spot
2) Endline
3) Backcourt, near the table.
its the same? from whence ball was thrown, or where it ended up?
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 11:37am
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right. baseball pass from oob.

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a) Hard to read, do you mean it was a throw-in baseball pass?

b & c) The throw-in should be from where the pass originated if the double foul was prior to the pass being completed.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 02:56pm
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its the same? from whence ball was thrown, or where it ended up?

Sigh --

Where is the POI? It's the "Ball Location."

How is "Ball Location" defined -- see 4-4.

You received a clear, correct answer.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 03:22pm
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no monsieur. not the french!
Poi is Hawaiian, not French.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 03:23pm
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Poi is Hawaiian, not French.
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Poi is Hawaiian, not French.
You can only have poi in the game if you accompany it with a crab dribble.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 03:54pm
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Remember in NFHS there is no team control during a throw in so in a) you also have a AP throw in 6-4-3-g
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 04:00pm
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Remember in NFHS there is no team control during a throw in so in a) you also have a AP throw in 6-4-3-g
I'm assuming 6-4-3g has the throwin over (ball legally touched) but team control not yet established. Right?
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 04:03pm
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Remember in NFHS there is no team control during a throw in so in a) you also have a AP throw in 6-4-3-g
In the original situation, the throw-in pass was "approaching" the 2 players, so it had not been touched inbounds. That means that the throw-in hadn't ended; and that means that the POI is a new throw-in to the team that just threw the ball in.

If the ball had been touched before the double foul, then we would have no team control and NOT during the throw-in, so we would go to the arrow.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 04:11pm
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In the original situation, the throw-in pass was "approaching" the 2 players, so it had not been touched inbounds. That means that the throw-in hadn't ended; and that means that the POI is a new throw-in to the team that just threw the ball in.

If the ball had been touched before the double foul, then we would have no team control and NOT during the throw-in, so we would go to the arrow.
I don't see where touching is relevant here, when the ball is at disposal, there is no team control during the throw in. If a double foul occurs before team control is established the you need to go to the arrow. Touching is only relevant to determine where the ball would be put in at.

Not entirely the same, but bear with me. During a shot attempt a double foul occurs do you not go to the arrow for the subsequent throw-in? Why? Because team control is not established. During a throw in would be the same. At disposal, no one has team control, so subsequent throw in is via the AP.

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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 04:15pm
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I don't see where touching is relevant here, when the ball is at disposal, there is no team control during the throw in. If a double foul occurs before team control is established the you need to go to the arrow. Touching is only relevant to determine where the ball would be put in at.

Not entirely the same, but bear with me. During a shot attempt a double foul occurs do you not go to the arrow for the subsequent throw-in? Why? Because team control is not established. During a throw in would be the same. At disposal, no one has team control, so subsequent throw in is via the AP.

Read 4-36-2a defintion of Point of Interruption
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In case your rule book isn't handy, eyezen, the definition of POI says if the interrupting event occurs during a throwin, the POI is the throwin.
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