Foul on shot causes travel.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Which you won't get, because I would be scoring the basket (in my mind) right with the calling official.

So if you start you shooting motion and I push you and you take 3 steps you are going to going to let your partner count the basket?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

So if you start you shooting motion and I push you and you take 3 steps you are going to going to let your partner count the basket?

Three steps, I'll see. Two steps, I'll see. Pivot foot dragging, I probably won't see.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison

As a player is going up for a try he is bumped. The bump causes the pivot foot that had been lifted on the try to return to the floor before the ball is released. The ball is released shortly after the pivot foot returns to the floor and the ball goes through the basket.

Do you count the basket or award two shots and disallow the basket.
I have also seen the bump cause the shooter to drag his pivot foot before releasing the ball on the try.

Thanks for the help.

A player cannot commit a violation or foul after they've been fouled, and expect that the shot will still count if successful.

If they could, a little bit of pondering will make you realize that players could take advantage of this, and how they would do it. Since we don't see players taking advantage of this situation, there must not be this situation to be taken advantage of! Whistle the foul, waive the basket off and signal the reason why: travelling. Award 2 or 3 shots.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'll delete the evidence.

You weren't at Watergate were you???

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

A player cannot commit a violation or foul after they've been fouled, and expect that the shot will still count if succesful.

If they could, a little bit of pondering will make you realize that players could take advantage of this, and how they would do it. Since we don't see players taking advantage of this situation, there must not be this situation to be taken advantage of! Whistle the foul, waive the basket off and signal the reason why: travelling. Award 2 or 3 shots.

A player cannot commit a violation or foul after they've been fouled, and expect that the shot will still count if succesful.

What page in the rule book is this on?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

You weren't at Watergate were you???

obviously not.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

A player cannot commit a violation or foul after they've been fouled, and expect that the shot will still count if succesful.

What page in the rule book is this on?

Say A1 gets fouled, and then takes 3 steps, releases the ball, and it goes in. Are you going to count it?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

A player cannot commit a violation or foul after they've been fouled, and expect that the shot will still count if succesful.

What page in the rule book is this on?

The one where a ball becomews dead if a violation occurs and there's no exception for "continuous motion".

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

ROBERT E. HARRISON
"As a player is going up for a try he is bumped"

ROBERT E. HARRISON
"The bump causes the pivot foot that had been lifted on the try to return to the floor before the ball is released. The ball is released shortly after the pivot foot returns to the floor and the ball goes through the basket."

Therefore what BBR & Juggler says is correct.

[asdf]

If you are quick enough to realize that the foul caused the travel, then you should be quick enough to know that the "travel" ends the try and no points can then be awarded...

Shoot 2 FT's and score no points.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

ROBERT E. HARRISON
"The bump causes the pivot foot that had been lifted on the try to return to the floor before the ball is released. The ball is released shortly after the pivot foot returns to the floor and the ball goes through the basket."

Therefore what BBR & Juggler says is correct.

Yes. You and Bob are correct. Continuous motion does not apply since the violation occurred and before the ball had left his hand. 2 shots.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I will add if it's an airborne shooter who gets fouled, once he returns to the floor with the ball, it's gonna be two shots.

Snaqs:

Don't be so quick with that response. NFHS, NCAA, and FIBA rules:

PLAY: A1 is dribbling toward Team A's basket. While both feet are in the air, A1 stops his dribble by gathering (with apologies to the NBA) the ball into both hands. In one continuous motion A1 lands on his left foot, then jumps off his left foot and lands on his right foot, then jumps off is right foot, and then releases the ball for a field goal attempt. The field goal attempt is successful.

QUESTION: If A1 is fouled at any point after he stopped his dribble and before he returns to the floor after releasing the ball for his field goal attepmt, has he be fouled in the act of shooting?

RULING: Yes. A1 was airborne three (3) different times during his field goal attempt. See NFHS Rules R4-S11-A1 and A2. The NCAA and FIBA rules concur.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Good point, Mark. Obviously, that's not the play I was envisioning.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Snaqs:

Don't be so quick with that response. NFHS, NCAA, and FIBA rules:

PLAY: A1 is dribbling toward Team A's basket. While both feet are in the air, A1 stops his dribble by gathering (with apologies to the NBA) the ball into both hands. In one continuous motion A1 lands on his left foot, then jumps off his left foot and lands on his right foot, then jumps off is right foot, and then releases the ball for a field goal attempt. The field goal attempt is successful.

QUESTION: If A1 is fouled at any point after he stopped his dribble and before he returns to the floor after releasing the ball for his field goal attepmt, has he be fouled in the act of shooting?

RULING: Yes. A1 was airborne three (3) different times during his field goal attempt. See NFHS Rules R4-S11-A1 and A2. The NCAA and FIBA rules concur.

I talk about FIBA rules: the act of shooting ends when the player returns with both feet on the floor after releasing the ball (15.2).

But the problem of the OP is different; Robert was only asking about the basket, not about shooting attempt. It's clear that traveling before releasing the ball, but after being fouled, causes the ball to become dead: wave off the basket and award two FT. But I concur with others in saying that I'd not be looking very closely to the fouled player's feet.

Ciao

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Snaqs:

Don't be so quick with that response. NFHS, NCAA, and FIBA rules:

PLAY: A1 is dribbling toward Team A's basket. While both feet are in the air, A1 stops his dribble by gathering (with apologies to the NBA) the ball into both hands. In one continuous motion A1 lands on his left foot, then jumps off his left foot and lands on his right foot, then jumps off is right foot, and then releases the ball for a field goal attempt. The field goal attempt is successful.

QUESTION: If A1 is fouled at any point after he stopped his dribble and before he returns to the floor after releasing the ball for his field goal attepmt, has he be fouled in the act of shooting?

RULING: Yes. A1 was airborne three (3) different times during his field goal attempt. See NFHS Rules R4-S11-A1 and A2. The NCAA and FIBA rules concur.

MTD, Sr.

I'd have to see this play, but I don't picture a shooting motion that starts before the first landing in this case.