Mind your own business?

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Of course it is a mistake which could have been avoided, but what does that have to do with not penalizing it? The way to handle the situation is clearly outlined in the rules. Are you friend with the guy who wrote that article about the NBA game with 6 players?

So your judgement is that you would rectify a problem that was caused by your mistake with a Technical Foul? Exactly how long did you plan on refereeing at the varsity level. Being afraid to whack a coach would cost you games around here, but whacking a coach when you were too proud to admit you messed up will cost you just as dearly around here. No one is arguing that the coach should not be on the floor. However, the reasons that the problem developed are mitigating factors.

• If the officials used their game management and awareness skills there wouldn't be a problem.
• The ball was still dead when the coach first started to request the timeout.
• There are other times that we as officials do not enforce the letter of the law...Advantage/Disadvantage....Three Seconds...etc
• The spirit of the rule is to prevent unsporting behavior by the coaches. The only unsporting act in this scenario is the eggregous lack of game management by the officials multiplied by the TRAIL invading the coach's huddle

I still can't believe that a crew would start an inbounding play as described in the OP.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

So your judgement is that you would rectify a problem that was caused by your mistake with a Technical Foul?

Question: Have you ever called a T for 6 players on the court? If so, you're argument is shot full of holes.

I disagree that the official caused this problem. Could they have prevented it? Sure, but they did not cause it. There's a huge difference here.

Does it not matter that the coach was not signaling?

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Question: Have you ever called a T for 6 players on the court? If so, you're argument is shot full of holes.

I disagree that the official caused this problem. Could they have prevented it? Sure, but they did not cause it. There's a huge difference here.

Does it not matter that the coach was not signaling?

Thankfully, in 6 years, I have never had that pleasure. Probably because back when I was on the darkside (CYO Coach) I was victimized by it. So I tend to be a fanatic about that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Thankfully, in 6 years, I have never had that pleasure. Probably because back when I was on the darkside (CYO Coach) I was victimized by it. So I tend to be a fanatic about that.

Victimized? How?

I've called exactly one.

[Ignats75]

What, you trying to open an old scab? LOL

I subbed a player. The Lead administered the throw-in before the substituted player left the floor. TRAIL didn't want to assess the T. LEAD said they had to. It was the only T I ever got coaching.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

What, you trying to open an old scab? LOL

I subbed a player. The Lead administered the throw-in before the substituted player left the floor. TRAIL didn't want to assess the T. LEAD said they had to. It was the only T I ever got coaching.

Wow! That's just one official who didn't know the rule or its purpose. This is a case where the official did cause the action, and still penalized when they shouldn't have.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

So your judgement is that you would rectify a problem that was caused by your mistake with a Technical Foul?

I didn't make a mistake. Making sure each team has 5 players is not one of my duties, it is the teams' jobs to make sure they have the correct number of players. Same goes for lining up correctly for free throws. It's not the official's job to get everyone in the correct spot. Saying that the official cause one of those problems by not making sure everything was correct before administering the throw in/free throw is never correct.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by LDUB

I didn't make a mistake. Making sure each team has 5 players is not one of my duties, it is the teams' jobs to make sure they have the correct number of players.

You mean you don't make sure the teams are set before you adminster a throw-in?????? WTF????? That may be the most asinine and ridiculous thing I have ever read hear. You don't resume play unless the teams are set. Players don't come in unless you or your partner beckon them in. You and your partner better not admin a throw-in until you are sure the same number went off as you beckoned on.

If an assignor around here knew that was your attitude and you had a T for 6 players, you would've worked your last high school game for about 300 square miles.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

You mean you don't make sure the teams are set before you adminster a throw-in?????? WTF?????

Of course I count the players. The difference between me and you is that I have no problem calling a technical foul if a team has 6 players; you think to yourself that you don't want to rectify this problem with a technical foul because you caused it.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Of course I count the players. The difference between me and you is that I have no problem calling a technical foul if a team has 6 players; you think to yourself that you don't want to rectify this problem with a technical foul because you caused it.

LDUB:

If you count six players, are you going to put the ball into play and then charge the team with a TF or are you going withhold the ball from being put into play and inform the team that it has six players?

MTD, Sr.

[mj]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Of course I count the players. The difference between me and you is that I have no problem calling a technical foul if a team has 6 players; you think to yourself that you don't want to rectify this problem with a technical foul because you caused it.

So if you were me the other night when the home team came out with 6 players to start the 4th quarter you would've put the ball in play then whacked them with a T??

That's the way I read it...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

:

You mean you don't make sure the teams are set before you adminster a throw-in?????? WTF????? That may be the most asinine and ridiculous thing I have ever read hear.

Oh please. That isn't close to what he said.

Of course he uses "preventive officiating" in this situation. We all (I assume) do.

But we recognize that there's a difference between "maanaging the game" and "complying with the rules." The former is our job; the latter is the job of the playewrs and coaches. SOmetimes the actions required are similar (e.g., both want to be sure that each team has 5 and only 5 players), but the specific responsibilities and penalties are different.

[Adam]

I'm gonna start with, "always listen to Bob."

While the officials may have failed to prevent the infraction, you cannot claim they caused it.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Oh please. That isn't close to what he said.

Of course he uses "preventive officiating" in this situation. We all (I assume) do.

But we recognize that there's a difference between "maanaging the game" and "complying with the rules." The former is our job; the latter is the job of the playewrs and coaches. SOmetimes the actions required are similar (e.g., both want to be sure that each team has 5 and only 5 players), but the specific responsibilities and penalties are different.

Yes, of course I would say something. It is still not to make job to make sure there are 5 players, that is the job of the teams. The problem was cause by them having 6 players not by me failing to notice soon enough.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Yes, of course I would say something. It is still not to make job to make sure there are 5 players, that is the job of the teams. The problem was cause by them having 6 players not by me failing to notice soon enough.

LDUB:

It MOST certainly IS YOUR JOB to make sure there are five players for each team on the court before you put the ball into play.

You had better be counting player and your partner(s) had better be counting players and the ball should never be put into play until all of the officials are happy with the player count.

MTD, Sr.