Player Out of Bounds/1st to touch inbounds

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by joetip30

Saw this in a middle school game last week and home coach went crazy!!!

A1 is underneath and goes up for a shot. The ball misses everything and falls to the floor untouched. A1's momentum carried him to have one foot over the out of bounds line underneath, then he came back in and grabbed the ball. The official did not call a violation, even though the coach was screaming that a player cannot come back in and touch the ball.

I believe the no call was the correct call based rule 7-1-1, Situation B. It indicates that a player who does not leave the court voluntarily and did not have control when he did, therefore he is safe to come back in and secure control.

LIke to know what others think...

I don't know if coach is a fool........ ignorant to the rules perhaps, or maybe you're refering to the reaction he had.

I'm trying to be kinder and gentler in 2009

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

With all due respect, I'm not sure something from an NCAA Case Book is relevant in a middle school game. They almost always play NF rules. In fact, I'd be surprised if there was a middle school league that played anything else (in the US, that is).

In New York State, Boys HS use NFHS(with a few changes) and Girls HS use NCAAW. For MS Games, known here as 'Modified' a modified ruleset is used for each (involving full court press, 3 point shots and man-to-man defense). So here in NY, girls MS will use NCAAW with a few modifications.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

With all due respect, I'm not sure something from an NCAA Case Book is relevant in a middle school game. They almost always play NF rules. In fact, I'd be surprised if there was a middle school league that played anything else (in the US, that is).

Fair point and sorry if it came across that way.
I wasn't trying to give it as the definitive source for that particular game or level of play. I was merely attempting to make the point that EVEN at the NCAA level this play is legal, and as that and the NBA are what most of these Pat Riley impersonators watch on TV that is likely where they get most of their basketball "knowledge."
So the point was that even if NCAA games on TV are his source of learning, he still didn't grasp the correct understanding.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

With all due respect, I'm not sure something from an NCAA Case Book is relevant in a middle school game. They almost always play NF rules. In fact, I'd be surprised if there was a middle school league that played anything else (in the US, that is).

Sure it is. With the rules being 99.9% the same, commentary from/about NCAA rules/interpretations is certainly worth considering as a tool to understand the rules when the NFHS is either silent on the topic or doesn't contain anything contradictory.

[refnrev]

Had a similar play the other afternoon in HS V girls game EXCEPT... White 13 inbounds ball to #12. 12 is trapped and turns to pass back to 13 who has been standing out of bounds the entire time. 13 jumps in, catches ball, and lands. Whatcha got?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by refnrev

Had a similar play the other afternoon in HS V girls game EXCEPT... White 13 inbounds ball to #12. 12 is trapped and turns to pass back to 13 who has been standing out of bounds the entire time. 13 jumps in, catches ball, and lands. Whatcha got?

I got out of bounds.

You are where you are (out of bounds) until you get where you're going (inbounds).

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The coach is a fool.

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.

- Bertrand Russell

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

From BillyMac's Myths...

Not mine. I'm just the keeper of the Most Misunderstood Basketball Rules list.

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by grunewar

You are where you are (out of bounds) until you get where you're going (inbounds).

Which is why I went "Tweet! Black ball!"

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by refnrev

Had a similar play the other afternoon in HS V girls game EXCEPT... White 13 inbounds ball to #12. 12 is trapped and turns to pass back to 13 who has been standing out of bounds the entire time. 13 jumps in, catches ball, and lands. Whatcha got?

Technical foul on White #13 for delaying to return inbounds.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.

- Bertrand Russell

That guy was awesome!

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Technical foul on White #13 for delaying to return inbounds.

Actually I saw a T for dealying to return for something far more stupid that that one time. Could not believe my eyes!

[knockitoff]

Thanks for straightening me out on my "return to court/both feet" issue.
I believe I was (mis)applying a combination of Backcourt and OOB principles.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by refnrev

Actually I saw a T for dealying to return for something far more stupid that that one time. Could not believe my eyes!

You can't just leave us hanging like that, Rev.

[mutantducky]

quick clarification on this-1. A1 in control holding the ball, fumbles it and saves it out of bounds. Can A1 go back in grab ball? If dribble is that a violation?
2.A1 is dribbling and losses the ball, his foot and then saves it. Once back in bounds can he pick it up. I assume can't dribble.
3. A1 dribbles of A2 foot- does that change anything?
4. A1 is dribbling and goes out of bounds for a reason without touching the ball, say other players had tripped and A1 goes out of avoid a collision. Can A1 once inbounds continue the dribble? If he grabs it and then dribbles is that a violation?
thanks

I'm glad I got that stupid no two feet thing. I've had that during pickup games and even before I was a ref I was "THIS isn't football"