Player Out of Bounds/1st to touch inbounds

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by joetip30

Saw this in a middle school game last week and home coach went crazy!!!

A1 is underneath and goes up for a shot. The ball misses everything and falls to the floor untouched. A1's momentum carried him to have one foot over the out of bounds line underneath, then he came back in and grabbed the ball. The official did not call a violation, even though the coach was screaming that a player cannot come back in and touch the ball.

I believe the no call was the correct call based rule 7-1-1, Situation B. It indicates that a player who does not leave the court voluntarily and did not have control when he did, therefore he is safe to come back in and secure control.

Like to know what others think...

The coach is a fool. The NCAA Case Book actually mentions this play directly as an example of legal action.

Out-of-Bounds Player, Ball
A.R. 157. A1 blocks a pass near the end line. The ball falls to the floor
inbounds but A1, who is off balance, falls outside the end line.
A1 returns to the playing court, secures control of the ball, and
dribbles.
RULING: Legal. A1 has not left the playing court voluntarily and
was not in control of the ball when leaving the playing court. This
situation is similar to one in which A1 makes a try from under the
basket and momentum carries A1 off the playing court. The try is unsuccessful,
and A1 comes onto the playing court and regains control
of the ball.
(Rule 7-1.1, 4-46.1.a and 9-4)

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The coach is a fool. The NCAA Case Book actually mentions this play directly as an example of legal action.

With all due respect, I'm not sure something from an NCAA Case Book is relevant in a middle school game. They almost always play NF rules. In fact, I'd be surprised if there was a middle school league that played anything else (in the US, that is).

[dbking]

URBAN LEGEND folklore. Correct call!

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

With all due respect, I'm not sure something from an NCAA Case Book is relevant in a middle school game. They almost always play NF rules. In fact, I'd be surprised if there was a middle school league that played anything else (in the US, that is).

In New York State, Boys HS use NFHS(with a few changes) and Girls HS use NCAAW. For MS Games, known here as 'Modified' a modified ruleset is used for each (involving full court press, 3 point shots and man-to-man defense). So here in NY, girls MS will use NCAAW with a few modifications.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

With all due respect, I'm not sure something from an NCAA Case Book is relevant in a middle school game. They almost always play NF rules. In fact, I'd be surprised if there was a middle school league that played anything else (in the US, that is).

Fair point and sorry if it came across that way.
I wasn't trying to give it as the definitive source for that particular game or level of play. I was merely attempting to make the point that EVEN at the NCAA level this play is legal, and as that and the NBA are what most of these Pat Riley impersonators watch on TV that is likely where they get most of their basketball "knowledge."
So the point was that even if NCAA games on TV are his source of learning, he still didn't grasp the correct understanding.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

With all due respect, I'm not sure something from an NCAA Case Book is relevant in a middle school game. They almost always play NF rules. In fact, I'd be surprised if there was a middle school league that played anything else (in the US, that is).

Sure it is. With the rules being 99.9% the same, commentary from/about NCAA rules/interpretations is certainly worth considering as a tool to understand the rules when the NFHS is either silent on the topic or doesn't contain anything contradictory.

[refnrev]

Had a similar play the other afternoon in HS V girls game EXCEPT... White 13 inbounds ball to #12. 12 is trapped and turns to pass back to 13 who has been standing out of bounds the entire time. 13 jumps in, catches ball, and lands. Whatcha got?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by refnrev

Had a similar play the other afternoon in HS V girls game EXCEPT... White 13 inbounds ball to #12. 12 is trapped and turns to pass back to 13 who has been standing out of bounds the entire time. 13 jumps in, catches ball, and lands. Whatcha got?

I got out of bounds.

You are where you are (out of bounds) until you get where you're going (inbounds).

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by grunewar

You are where you are (out of bounds) until you get where you're going (inbounds).

Which is why I went "Tweet! Black ball!"

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by refnrev

Had a similar play the other afternoon in HS V girls game EXCEPT... White 13 inbounds ball to #12. 12 is trapped and turns to pass back to 13 who has been standing out of bounds the entire time. 13 jumps in, catches ball, and lands. Whatcha got?

Technical foul on White #13 for delaying to return inbounds.

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Technical foul on White #13 for delaying to return inbounds.

Actually I saw a T for dealying to return for something far more stupid that that one time. Could not believe my eyes!

[knockitoff]

Thanks for straightening me out on my "return to court/both feet" issue.
I believe I was (mis)applying a combination of Backcourt and OOB principles.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by refnrev

Actually I saw a T for dealying to return for something far more stupid that that one time. Could not believe my eyes!

You can't just leave us hanging like that, Rev.

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

With all due respect, I'm not sure something from an NCAA Case Book is relevant in a middle school game. They almost always play NF rules. In fact, I'd be surprised if there was a middle school league that played anything else (in the US, that is).

NYS girls modified (our name for middle school) plays using NCAAW rules, with some modifications.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The coach is a fool.

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.

- Bertrand Russell