The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Sun Dec 21, 2008, 10:23pm
Statistician/Ref Hybrid
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: 127.0.0.1
Posts: 991
Reporting "Double" Numbers

Speaking NFHS Ruleset (CYO for those wanting details )

If a team has, say #5 and #55, is it ok to ask the referee to use both hands to report fouls on 55 and one hand for 5? I had this come up in our 8th grade boys game. It would have eliminated some confusion on one foul.

Nothing overly unusual otherwise, aside from two wedgies in one day. I had to chuckle on the wedgie in the 8th grade boys game since the arrow favored the vistors and the home fans are saying "It's white's ball - that's a bad call!"
__________________
Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible." Dalai Lama

The center of attention as the lead & trail. me
Games officiated: 406 Basketball 73 Softball 16 Baseball
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Sun Dec 21, 2008, 10:28pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 14,613
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stat-Man View Post
Speaking NFHS Ruleset (CYO for those wanting details )

If a team has, say #5 and #55, is it ok to ask the referee to use both hands to report fouls on 55 and one hand for 5? I had this come up in our 8th grade boys game. It would have eliminated some confusion on one foul.
No. One hand to report under NFHS rules and mechanics.
__________________
"...as cool as the other side of the pillow." - Stuart Scott

"You should never be proud of doing the right thing." - Dean Smith
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Sun Dec 21, 2008, 10:48pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 1,955
Stick to one hand.
__________________
That's my whistle -- and I'm sticking to it!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Mon Dec 22, 2008, 12:16am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Alabama
Posts: 350
Local Association

One of our local association has officials that like to call a la' NBA refs. Two handed numbers called to the table from the baseline, no signals/mechanics except on block calls which are made two fists pounding the hips multiple times while jumping up and down. Very.....theatric.

I don't believe the offending officials have been selected for post season tournaments.
__________________
If it's a foul on that end, IT'S GOTTA BE A FOUL ON THIS END!!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Mon Dec 22, 2008, 12:41am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 1,274
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stat-Man View Post
Speaking NFHS Ruleset (CYO for those wanting details )

If a team has, say #5 and #55, is it ok to ask the referee to use both hands to report fouls on 55 and one hand for 5? I had this come up in our 8th grade boys game. It would have eliminated some confusion on one foul.


My question about the confusion... is it because the 55 was reported by the official as five-five?

I always speak english when reporting the number. I have never heard an announcer at any level say... Fouls is was on # three-two, Karl Malone for his second personal foul...

You never tell your partner hey look at five- five and two-three they are both going after each other...

Why is it that people think that reporting a foul is the only place we don't speak normally?
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Mon Dec 22, 2008, 09:26am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,673
Send a message via MSN to IREFU2 Send a message via Yahoo to IREFU2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stat-Man View Post
Speaking NFHS Ruleset (CYO for those wanting details )

If a team has, say #5 and #55, is it ok to ask the referee to use both hands to report fouls on 55 and one hand for 5? I had this come up in our 8th grade boys game. It would have eliminated some confusion on one foul.

Nothing overly unusual otherwise, aside from two wedgies in one day. I had to chuckle on the wedgie in the 8th grade boys game since the arrow favored the vistors and the home fans are saying "It's white's ball - that's a bad call!"
That is also a NCAA-W mechanic. We use it when reporting and its hard when you do both High School and Womens college not to use two hand reporting on the High School level......but when it Rome....bla..bla!!!!
__________________
Score the Basket!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Mon Dec 22, 2008, 09:33am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: WI
Posts: 825
when reporting a number like 55 I will give the first 5 with palm facing table then turn hand around and 2nd 5 is with back of hand to table.
__________________
When I want your opinion - I'll give it to you!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Mon Dec 22, 2008, 09:53am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 17,073
Quote:
Originally Posted by chartrusepengui View Post
when reporting a number like 55 I will give the first 5 with palm facing table then turn hand around and 2nd 5 is with back of hand to table.
FWIW, that goes against every mechanic manual and clinic I've ever attended.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Mon Dec 22, 2008, 09:56am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 7,621
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins View Post
FWIW, that goes against every mechanic manual and clinic I've ever attended.
That's what I was going to say. Probably carries more weight coming from Bob.
__________________
Cheers,
mb
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Mon Dec 22, 2008, 10:00am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: In a little pink house
Posts: 5,289
Send a message via AIM to Back In The Saddle Send a message via MSN to Back In The Saddle Send a message via Yahoo to Back In The Saddle
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins View Post
FWIW, that goes against every mechanic manual and clinic I've ever attended.
Yep. It surely does. I've had multiple evaluators "comment" on my use of this reporting style for "double numbers". But I've only ever had one scorekeeper not understand what number I was reporting. He was deaf. I'm not sure what that says.
__________________
"It is not enough to do your best; you must know what to do, and then do your best." - W. Edwards Deming
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Mon Dec 22, 2008, 10:07am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: WI
Posts: 825
I adopted this practice after it was suggested while attending a clinic. I only do this with double numbers and it seems work. I've never had a problem since adopting the practice although will admit I didn't have many problems prior to this. I just tried it at the clinic and it stuck. I've never had an evaluator say anything about it. I don't see it as a big deal - turning the hand around for second number. It's still using one hand.
__________________
When I want your opinion - I'll give it to you!
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Mon Dec 22, 2008, 12:43pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,673
Send a message via MSN to IREFU2 Send a message via Yahoo to IREFU2
I would suggest you unadopt it if you want to move up.....LOL...
__________________
Score the Basket!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Mon Dec 22, 2008, 12:52pm
Rich's Avatar
Get away from me, Steve.
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 15,651
Quote:
Originally Posted by IREFU2 View Post
I would suggest you unadopt it if you want to move up.....LOL...
Yeah, if you want to be Ted Valentine, use the two handed reporting style.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Mon Dec 22, 2008, 01:06pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,673
Send a message via MSN to IREFU2 Send a message via Yahoo to IREFU2
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichMSN View Post
Yeah, if you want to be Ted Valentine, use the two handed reporting style.
Yeah, only he can get away with such things.....
__________________
Score the Basket!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Mon Dec 22, 2008, 02:55pm
9 times
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: St. George, UT
Posts: 777
Quote:
Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle View Post
Yep. It surely does. I've had multiple evaluators "comment" on my use of this reporting style for "double numbers". But I've only ever had one scorekeeper not understand what number I was reporting. He was deaf. I'm not sure what that says.
Ray, I was asked in Richfield (by one of your board members) if you picked this up from me. I told them IDK, but that you had seen me work before. The person telling me this also said that they liked it when I did it, but not when you did it. I told them to quit sucking up and tell me they didn't like my mechanics either. They just smiled.

I'm not really sure where I picked this up, but I always struggled with how I reported double numbers until I started flipping my hand and have continued doing it since then. I have never had a problem with scorekeepers either and I have moved up nicely using it...the "mechanic" has not hampered my schedule in any way.
__________________
Get it right!

1999 (2x), 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2019
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
ABC's "Nightline" examines "worst calls ever" tonight pizanno Basketball 27 Fri Jul 04, 2008 06:08am
New mechanic for "Double Dribble"? CoachP Basketball 1 Tue Jun 17, 2008 07:35am
Strange "Ground Rule" Double Rich Ives Baseball 14 Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:19pm
Double Foul with "Dirty Hands" Stripe Football 5 Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:12pm
"Double play" (of sorts)... Dakota Softball 0 Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:59pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:40am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1