More handshake idiocy

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

OK, that's just gross.

And scrapper, hpw long do you think this idiocy will last? I asked one of our local guys who is part of the WOA executive whatchamacallit, and he said that this topic has never even come up and that it is so ridiculous that it probably never will come up. So are you MA guys all alone in this?

YIKES.............I corrected it.

[Coltdoggs]

So did you shake HIS hand after he told you he was banning you!

[BayStateRef]

Scrapper,

You know the drill, but I am posting this for those outside Massachusetts who do not. You followed the procedure. Period. It is not your job to make the AD do his. If he does not, you walk, call your assignor and let him deal wit the A.D. You are not required to fill out the MIAA paperwork and you should not.

Post-Game Handshake Cancellation- Scenario #3

In cases where the home school does not fulfill the protocol responsibilities, thereby impacting concerns over health and safety of the post-game handshake participants, the game officials may exit the court immediately following the final buzzer. In these situations, the referee will be required to make contact with the game official assignor within 24 hours. Upon receiving a report confirming the reasons for the officials’ decision not to participate, the assignor will communicate these concerns to the building athletic director (first report). Subsequent reports will be directed to the school principal, followed by the MIAA District Committee chairperson.

As an aside...at my board meeting this month, the interpreter noted how the MIAA is so hot to push us to enforce the handshake, but it gives a waiver to schools from the "home team must wear white" rule and refuses to take an active role in requiring a coaching box be marked.

And my own pet peeve: which shot-clock rule do we use? The one posted on the MIAA Web site or the one included in the MIAA Blue Book (which lists all MIAA rules for all sports). Hint: they are not the same.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Scrapper,

You know the drill, but I am posting this for those outside Massachusetts who do not. You followed the procedure. Period. It is not your job to make the AD do his. If he does not, you walk, call your assignor and let him deal wit the A.D. You are not required to fill out the MIAA paperwork and you should not.

Yup. In the interest of full disclosure, I have to state that I was wrong about one aspect of the Protocol when I talked wit the AD. I insisted that the public announcement stating that there would be a handshake ceremony had to be made prior to the beginning of the game. That's not the case, however. The announcement has to be made anytime before the conclusion of the game. I sent an email to the AD acknowledging that I had that part wrong.

[bigdogrunnin]

and

Scrapper1:

I feel your pain. It is amazing how stupid people with graduate degrees in education can be.

MTD, Sr.
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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
IAABO (Lake Erie District) Board #55
Toledo, Ohio

Gentlemen, I am a school administrator, and I do certainly take offense to both these statements. Don't let a few bad apples dictate your opinion of us all. That is akin to saying that one bad official means we are all horrible. Not true in either case.

I will also add that ANY official that comes to my campus is treated professionally, always. They are provided a safe, clean, and secure area to change and talk. They are provided with drinks (gatorade, water), towels, and showers with hot water. They are also greeted upon entering the facility and escorted onto and off of the floor before, during, and after the game, including an escort to their vehicles upon leaving. No one is allowed to speak with the officials before, during, or after the game. Also officials working at my school don't have to worry about coming to me in regards to fan behavior either, because I am already addressing it. We police the fans to ensure that they are practicing good sportsmanship, no foul-mouthed comments or yelling and screaming at the officials. First time + warning, second time = going home with NO refund. OH, and if we can, we try to have something for the officials to eat or snack on as well.

I will finish by adding that I am a tad disappointed that your comments were even made, and I, personally and professionally, would expect better from fellow officials . . . especially from those on this forum that I have come to admire and respect.

[sj]

Just so I can follow is it a MA policy that the officials stay out on the court and shake hands with all the players and coaches after a game. Unless the school doesn't do certain things. Is that what your referring too.

[chartrusepengui]

Speaking of handshakes - Did a vG game friday and all goes well. At final buzzer we go to our dressing area. A minute or so later there is a knock on the door. I open it to find the girls from BOTH teams at the door. They shook my partner's and my hand and thanked us for coming. I've had a player come and do that but this was the entire team from both schools. It was kinda nice for a change.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by sj

Just so I can follow is it a MA policy that the officials stay out on the court and shake hands with all the players and coaches after a game. Unless the school doesn't do certain things. Is that what your referring too.

The teams line up and shake hands and the officials are supposed to stand at midcourt to observe this glorious display of good sportsmanship.

[Scrapper1]

Here's a question for the lawyers out there. If the AD does have me blocked from receiving assignments at his school simply because I followed the protocol, is that legal? Is there any recourse for me?

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Here's a question for the lawyers out there. If the AD does have me blocked from receiving assignments at his school simply because I followed the protocol, is that legal? Is there any recourse for me?

Do you really WANT to go back there and work knowing the AD is a yutz?

[sj]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The teams line up and shake hands and the officials are supposed to stand at midcourt to observe this glorious display of good sportsmanship.

Scheez. I guess that's what the original poster is referring to when he talks about "more" handshake idiocy. Meaning on top of the policy itself he's having to put up with this other protocol stuff. Those guys are sitting ducks standing out there.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The teams line up and shake hands and the officials are supposed to stand at midcourt to observe this glorious display of good sportsmanship.

I also believe that their jurisdiction ends with the approval of the final score, thus leaving them defenseless, lame ducks.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I also believe that their jurisdiction ends with the approval of the final score, thus leaving them defenseless, lame ducks.

No way I'm approving the score before I leave the court. I want recourse in case someone does or says something stupid.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

Gentlemen, I am a school administrator, and I do certainly take offense to both these statements. Don't let a few bad apples dictate your opinion of us all. That is akin to saying that one bad official means we are all horrible. Not true in either case.

I will also add that ANY official that comes to my campus is treated professionally, always. They are provided a safe, clean, and secure area to change and talk. They are provided with drinks (gatorade, water), towels, and showers with hot water. They are also greeted upon entering the facility and escorted onto and off of the floor before, during, and after the game, including an escort to their vehicles upon leaving. No one is allowed to speak with the officials before, during, or after the game. Also officials working at my school don't have to worry about coming to me in regards to fan behavior either, because I am already addressing it. We police the fans to ensure that they are practicing good sportsmanship, no foul-mouthed comments or yelling and screaming at the officials. First time + warning, second time = going home with NO refund. OH, and if we can, we try to have something for the officials to eat or snack on as well.

You are the exception, not the rule. But you knew that.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

I will also add that ANY official that comes to my campus is treated professionally, always. They are provided a safe, clean, and secure area to change and talk. They are provided with drinks (Gatorade, water), towels, and showers with hot water. They are also greeted upon entering the facility and escorted onto and off of the floor before, during, and after the game, including an escort to their vehicles upon leaving. No one is allowed to speak with the officials before, during, or after the game. Also officials working at my school don't have to worry about coming to me in regards to fan behavior either, because I am already addressing it. We police the fans to ensure that they are practicing good sportsmanship, no foul-mouthed comments or yelling and screaming at the officials. First time + warning, second time = going home with NO refund. OH, and if we can, we try to have something for the officials to eat or snack on as well.

Can I work some games at your school. I'll even do junior varsity and/or freshman games.