Coaches/Captains sell out by the R

[CaRef5]

yeah imo that was uncalled for, and by the sound of it, your partner was a bit condescending in his coaches meeting.

i'm a first year official and thankfully the assignor is also my mentor, so if anyone pulls a fastball like that, guess who's getting a phone call right after that game

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by CaRef5

yeah imo that was uncalled for, and by the sound of it, your partner was a bit condescending in his coaches meeting.

i'm a first year official and thankfully the assignor is also my mentor, so if anyone pulls a fastball like that, guess who's getting a phone call right after that game

You definitely got hosed by your partner. Hair wraps are one thing, but you're both setting yourselves up for some serious liability if that player with the illegal knee brace gets hurt or hurts somebody else. I agree that a call to your assignor is probably the best way to go. Best case, the assignor calls the other official and tells them how they should handle illegal uniforms/equipment when they officiate in his leagues. But at the very least, you could probably ask to not work with them again.

[muxbule]

If I am responsible for counting players and checking equipment I take care of it as I see issues. Warm-ups are long enough that when each girl came by with illegal headwear I just say it has to go. No different than the multiple livestrong braclets kids wear on the court. Then you have taken care of your responsibilty without the opportunity for the referee to set aside rules he chooses. my .02 cents

[chrs_schuster]

OK, I get that you are PO at your partner. You definetly have reason to

be. But....if your partner the R says hes not going to enforce the rules,

then go to the girls during warmup say "can I see your brace" if illegal, take

it off.... Hair wraps the same way. If your partner gets mad at you for

doing your job...oh well!! he will get over it. I would love to hear the phone

call to an assignor about you!! "Yeah!.. but he was doing my job and I got

pissed thats why I called" Just my humble opinion though..

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by chrs_schuster

OK, I get that you are PO at your partner. You definetly have reason to

be. But....if your partner the R says hes not going to enforce the rules,

then go to the girls during warmup say "can I see your brace" is illegal, take

it off.... Hair wraps the same way. If your partner gets mad at you for

doing your job...oh well!! he will get over it. I would love to hear the phone

call to an assignor about you!! "Yeah!.. but he was doing my job and I got

pissed thats why I called" Just my humble opinion though..

Chris,
everything is good except what is in BOLD. I personally would not use that verbiage.

I say something along the lines of: I see you have an illegal knee brace on, either cover the metal hinges with the sleeve or you will not be able to play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I see you have an illegal knee brace on, either cover the metal hinges with the sleeve or you will not be able to play.

truerookie: You took the words right out of my mouth.

[chrs_schuster]

I really didnt mean to say that to girls, what I meant was to have them take it off. "or sleeve it". Just worded it wrong I guess.....

[Kelvin green]

I agree... tell the girl to cover the exposed hinges...(only thing that has to be done by rule), I'll bet the team has an oversleeve...

That being said... I learned this in football I had never though about....

If the referee will not enforce a liability potential safety rule, pull the R aside and tell him that you want a signed statement that states he has made a rule decision on not enforcing a saftey rule, and that he assumes all liability from the actions resulting from his rule interpretation, and that he understands you advised him to not allow the safety issue and against the advice, he absolves you of all liability.

May not stand up in court but he'll get the point....

I had a situation in football where the note supposed to be signed by a MD or DO was signed by a PA. Told the referee and he made all sorts of justifications on why a PA is just as qualified as a MD...
1) I will not work with the guy again and 2) I will not work with him again and 3) i wont subject myself to that liability without covering my butt somehow and take all reasonable steps

[26 Year Gap]

If the team YOU are responsible for has the pre-wrap issue, you go to the coach of that team and address it BEFORE the coaches & captains meeting. Same thing with the brace. Same thing with illegal undershirts. The coach will take care of it.

Contacting your assignor is a good idea as well. Chances are that you are not the only guy in the asociation with tire tread marks on your back.

[fullor30]

Not much you can do other than to express your feelings to him.

I'm going to confess I did something similar a few weeks ago that I regret.

I'm the R and we are all set for the tip............."blue this way, white this way" ready to toss and suddenly the jarring horn from the table and scorer is calling me over. One team had their numbers completely wrong in book, wrong starters, wrong everything. As a crew we huddle, I say great way to start a game with a technical, U1 says let's pass and start the game, U2 frowns and I can tell wants to do the right thing and T them up. I pass on it.

I'll never do that again. And I'm going to apologize to U2.

It doesn't matter, but it was a very lopsided game, with two weak teams. Coaches never asked what was happening, almost to the point of indifference. That said, it wasn't right.

There, I said it and I feel better.

[tomegun]

Your partner was a jerk and threw you under the bus! As soon as he asked you to explain or whatever, you should have took the pregame meeting over.

Someone else mentioned it, but you should have just told the girls to take off the illegal headbands. Being the fashion police is getting pretty old, but it is what it is.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Your partner was a jerk and threw you under the bus! As soon as he asked you to explain or whatever, you should have took the pregame meeting over.

Someone else mentioned it, but you should have just told the girls to take off the illegal headbands. Being the fashion police is getting pretty old, but it is what it is.

Being the R doesn't make one the decider on which rules are going to be followed or ignored. I'd tell the kids to take off the illegal equipment regardless of what that guy said.

(As the R I also can't imagine trying to be like this knowing I need my partners to have my back for the entire game.)

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Being the R doesn't make one the decider on which rules are going to be followed or ignored. I'd tell the kids to take off the illegal equipment regardless of what that guy said.

(As the R I also can't imagine trying to be like this knowing I need my partners to have my back for the entire game.)

Rich, I'm assuming you quoted me because you agree with what I said because I agree with what you are saying. I hope I didn't say something that might be taken the wrong way.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Rich, I'm assuming you quoted me because you agree with what I said because I agree with what you are saying. I hope I didn't say something that might be taken the wrong way.

I was just agreeing with you. Sorry for not being clear.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I'm going to confess I did something similar a few weeks ago that I regret.

I'll never do that again. And I'm going to apologize to U2.


There, I said it and I feel better.

I believe no one can be harder on yourself then yourself about this so its all good.

Having said that I'm in the U2's spot ALOT.

Rant ON ::::

Why is there so much concern about enforcing the rules, its like I'm working for the UN, everybody's concerned about everything except the rules. I am just starting my Varsity part of this whole deal and the excuses from the other officials for not taking care of pregame dunks, wrong numbers in the books, coaches behaving badly, etc is just beyond appalling. And this coming from someone who spent lots of time in mosh pits.

If i have a partner call and apologize i would fall on the floor in convulsions and work the rest of the year for free, maybe.

Takes a big man to admit when you were wrong and apologize-my hat is off to you.