5 Second Violation??

[derwil]

If she's not closely guarded then no, you kicked it.

I had a playoff game where one team, who knew they'd get killed if they played 32 minutes of basketball, actually held the ball for 7 minutes of a quarter. No passes, just held the ball after the half court throw in. Perfectly legal.

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by derwil

If she's not closely guarded then no, you kicked it.

I had a playoff game where one team, who knew they'd get killed if they played 32 minutes of basketball, actually held the ball for 7 minutes of a quarter. No passes, just held the ball after the half court throw in. Perfectly legal.

I respectfully disagree. Wouldn't this fall under the "actionless contest" rule?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

I respectfully disagree. Wouldn't this fall under the "actionless contest" rule?

It's hard to read sarcasm /humor in some of the posts, but I'll assume that is what you meant.

[Grail]

There once was a rule that forced one team to create the action. I don't remember it completely, but I believe the team behind in the score had to force the action.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Grail

There once was a rule that forced one team to create the action. I don't remember it completely, but I believe the team behind in the score had to force the action.

Correct, back in the early eighties.

[BillyMac]

The closely guarded rule is in effect in frontcourt only, when a defender is within six feet of the ball handler. Up to three separate five-second counts may occur on the same ball handler, holding, dribbling, and holding. The count continues even if defenders switch. The five-second count ends when a dribbler gets his or her head and shoulders ahead of the defender.

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's hard to read sarcasm /humor in some of the posts, but I'll assume that is what you meant.

I didn't mean any sarcasm. What part seemed sarcastic? I was just trying to point out a legit rule that contrasted with what a previous post-er witnessed...

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

I didn't mean any sarcasm. What part seemed sarcastic? I was just trying to point out a legit rule that contrasted with what a previous post-er witnessed...

How can you have a 5 second closely guarded violation when you stated the player was not closely guarded? A long while back, if I remember correctly, the offense had to break the 28 foot line in the front court...but that was changed long ago. If the dribbler is not closely guarded (within 6 feet) by the defender, then you have nothing.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

I didn't mean any sarcasm. What part seemed sarcastic? I was just trying to point out a legit rule that contrasted with what a previous post-er witnessed...

ma ref,
They got rid of that rule about 20 years ago.

I had a similar playoff experience with a team holding the ball for almost two entire quarters.

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

ma ref,
They got rid of that rule about 20 years ago.

I had a similar playoff experience with a team holding the ball for almost two entire quarters.

Really? NFHS rule 10-1-5:

A team shall not:
"...Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest. This includes the following and similar acts:"

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

Really? NFHS rule 10-1-5:

A team shall not:
"...Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest. This includes the following and similar acts:"

Read the rest of the rule.....your point is misguided and your interpretation is off.....

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

Really? NFHS rule 10-1-5:

A team shall not:
"...Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest. This includes the following and similar acts:"

But the specific "lack of action" rule was dropped.

10-1-5 has a different meaning than you seem to think.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

ma ref,
They got rid of that rule about 20 years ago.

It was dropped sometime after 1991-1992 because the rule still existed in 1990-1991 but was gone after 1994 because I scored an AAU game under NFHS rules where a team sat at half court for 5 minutes doing nothing before the coach decided to have them move the ball around. I even remember thinking { Doesn't someone have to force action? }

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

It was dropped sometime after 1991-1992 because the rule still existed in 1990-1991 but was gone after 1994 because I scored an AAU game under NFHS rules where a team sat at half court for 5 minutes doing nothing before the coach decided to have them move the ball around. I even remember thinking { Doesn't someone have to force action? }

Seems to be some disagreement on when the rule was removed.

I remember playing a game in the 90-91 season in which the lack of action rule should have been enforced if it was in effect. It was not enforced. I did not remember that rule during the discussion in the thread I linked to here.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

I didn't mean any sarcasm. What part seemed sarcastic? I was just trying to point out a legit rule that contrasted with what a previous post-er witnessed...

The rule is not intended for anything close to holding the ball out by the division line while the defense plays a zone defense inside the three-point arc.

Happens a couple of times a year when, for whatever reason, both teams are "happy" with the current score + / - one last shot by the offense at the end of a period.