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acgod24 Fri Dec 19, 2008 09:39am

5 Second Violation??
 
20 seconds left in 1st quarter, A1 is dribbling in frontcourt. Coach of A tells her "one shot". She dribbles out top by the timeline still in the frontcourt and picks up her dribble. She is not closely guarded. I get her for a 5 second violation as she is holding the ball, is this the correct call?

derwil Fri Dec 19, 2008 09:41am

If she's not closely guarded then no, you kicked it.

I had a playoff game where one team, who knew they'd get killed if they played 32 minutes of basketball, actually held the ball for 7 minutes of a quarter. No passes, just held the ball after the half court throw in. Perfectly legal.

jdw3018 Fri Dec 19, 2008 09:42am

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Originally Posted by acgod24 (Post 559639)
20 seconds left in 1st quarter, A1 is dribbling in frontcourt. Coach of A tells her "one shot". She dribbles out top by the timeline still in the frontcourt and picks up her dribble. She is not closely guarded. I get her for a 5 second violation as she is holding the ball, is this the correct call?

She is not closely guarded...so why did you call her for a 5-second closely guarded violation?

Ch1town Fri Dec 19, 2008 09:42am

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Originally Posted by acgod24 (Post 559639)
20 seconds left in 1st quarter, A1 is dribbling in frontcourt. Coach of A tells her "one shot". She dribbles out top by the timeline still in the frontcourt and picks up her dribble. She is not closely guarded. I get her for a 5 second violation as she is holding the ball, is this the correct call?

If she was not closely guarded, what was the 5 second violation for?

IREFU2 Fri Dec 19, 2008 09:42am

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Originally Posted by acgod24 (Post 559639)
20 seconds left in 1st quarter, A1 is dribbling in frontcourt. Coach of A tells her "one shot". She dribbles out top by the timeline still in the frontcourt and picks up her dribble. She is not closely guarded. I get her for a 5 second violation as she is holding the ball, is this the correct call?

Nope, you kicked it!

ma_ref Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:07am

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Originally Posted by derwil (Post 559640)
If she's not closely guarded then no, you kicked it.

I had a playoff game where one team, who knew they'd get killed if they played 32 minutes of basketball, actually held the ball for 7 minutes of a quarter. No passes, just held the ball after the half court throw in. Perfectly legal.

I respectfully disagree. Wouldn't this fall under the "actionless contest" rule?

bob jenkins Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:09am

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Originally Posted by ma_ref (Post 559657)
I respectfully disagree. Wouldn't this fall under the "actionless contest" rule?


It's hard to read sarcasm /humor in some of the posts, but I'll assume that is what you meant.

Grail Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:13am

There once was a rule that forced one team to create the action. I don't remember it completely, but I believe the team behind in the score had to force the action.

ma_ref Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:29am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 559659)
It's hard to read sarcasm /humor in some of the posts, but I'll assume that is what you meant.

I didn't mean any sarcasm. What part seemed sarcastic? I was just trying to point out a legit rule that contrasted with what a previous post-er witnessed...

IREFU2 Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:34am

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Originally Posted by ma_ref (Post 559666)
I didn't mean any sarcasm. What part seemed sarcastic? I was just trying to point out a legit rule that contrasted with what a previous post-er witnessed...

How can you have a 5 second closely guarded violation when you stated the player was not closely guarded? A long while back, if I remember correctly, the offense had to break the 28 foot line in the front court...but that was changed long ago. If the dribbler is not closely guarded (within 6 feet) by the defender, then you have nothing.

Nevadaref Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:38am

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Originally Posted by ma_ref (Post 559666)
I didn't mean any sarcasm. What part seemed sarcastic? I was just trying to point out a legit rule that contrasted with what a previous post-er witnessed...

ma ref,
They got rid of that rule about 20 years ago.

I had a similar playoff experience with a team holding the ball for almost two entire quarters.

ma_ref Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:58am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 559668)
ma ref,
They got rid of that rule about 20 years ago.

I had a similar playoff experience with a team holding the ball for almost two entire quarters.

Really? NFHS rule 10-1-5:

A team shall not:
"...Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest. This includes the following and similar acts:"

IREFU2 Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:09am

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Originally Posted by ma_ref (Post 559679)
Really? NFHS rule 10-1-5:

A team shall not:
"...Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest. This includes the following and similar acts:"

Read the rest of the rule.....your point is misguided and your interpretation is off.....

Nevadaref Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:11am

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Originally Posted by ma_ref (Post 559679)
Really? NFHS rule 10-1-5:

A team shall not:
"...Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest. This includes the following and similar acts:"

But the specific "lack of action" rule was dropped.

10-1-5 has a different meaning than you seem to think.

acgod24 Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:19am

I whistled her for 5 seconds after picking her dribble up. so it is legal for her to stand there, even though she used up her dribble, for however long until she is closely guarded? obviously when the defense comes out, she can only pass or shoot.


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