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Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 559448)

Snaqs, you are misunderstanding what I said. I said that if you have good game management, they will take care of it. I was not saying go to them and tell them to deal with it. Some schools around here have people that take care of notifying the teams to stop their high flying acts just before we hit the floor. I am in no way saying this is something I do or recommend doing.

I meant to address this earlier, but the office Christmas party called and I wasn't about to turn away the Honey Baked Ham.

I understood you perfectly. My point is that for most of us, game management has nothing to do with pregame dunks; nor should they. No one needs to tell the kids not to dunk, because their coaches have already taught them not to. I never implied you said we should let game admin deal with it or go to them.

I simply disagree that "good game management" will make sure the kids stop playing naughty before I get on the court. They may do it where you are, but not here. GM greets us, lets us in the room, escorts us back to the room at half time and games end, and gets us water. Half the time, they do not see us walk onto the court.

My beef is with the implication of your statement about good game management. It implies that game management that doesn't babysit the players for both teams isn't "good." Maybe it's a requirement for them in your area of the country, but I'd say your area is in the minority from what I can tell in this forum.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 559553)

Nevadaref: I understand the rule, and the various permutations of double, false double, seat belt, ejections, etc., but I'm not aware of any specific NFHS mechanics for pregame dunks. Are you saying to treat it like any other technical foul, whistle, fist, etc.? If not, can you refresh us on the proper mechanics for this specific play, either NFHS, or NCAA?

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 559594)

It has been a while since this came up, so I don't recall where I read it, but it was published somewhere.

The procedure given was:
No whistle, inform team member, inform coach, inform table crew.

I'll see if I can locate the source.

Here is the specific direction from the NFHS for this:

10.3.3 SITUATION C:

Fifteen minutes before the game is scheduled to start,
team member A1 dunks. Two minutes later A2 dunks. RULING: A1 and A2 are
both charged with a technical foul. In addition, the head coach is charged indirectly
with a technical foul for each act. The two fouls are team fouls for purpose
of reaching the bonus. When dunking occurs during the pregame practice period
the official notifies the team member and the head coach, but does not sound the
whistle. If the game is played in a state which utilizes the optional coaching box,
the coach should be informed that he/she has lost the privilege of using the
coaching box for the entire game.

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 560414)

Here is the specific direction from the NFHS for this:

10.3.3 SITUATION C:

Hold on while I fax you a cookie. Or would you prefer a quarter so you can call someone who cares? :D

That Should Conclude This Episode Of "As The Basketball Turns" ...

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 560414)

Here is the specific direction from the NFHS for this. 10.3.3 SITUATION C: When dunking occurs during the pregame practice period the official notifies the team member and the head coach, but does not sound the whistle.

Nevadaref: You the man !!! Wait. You've been working on this since Thursday morning, and are only now posting the conclusive caseplay. You can post an archived interpretation from seven years ago in a few minutes, and it takes you more than three days to post a caseplay from this year's casebook? You're weird.

Moderators: Close the thread. Nevadaref has left the building, without blowing his whistle.

Hold the phone...

Let's say Larry, Moe, Curly, and Shimp all dunk during pre-game warm-ups.

The head coach is ejected.

Do all four indirects go to the head coach or does one go to the assistant who is now taking over for the head coach?

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 560533)

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...tml#post560418

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 560535)

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...tml#post560418

I'd say it depends. If all four happened prior to the coach being notified, then he gets all four. If he gets notified, then Shimp adds his two cents' worth, new HC gets the 4th indirect.