After the coach is gone...

[referee99]

In regards to previous post about pre-game dunking.

3 dunks in warmups - 2 by A12 and 1 by A55.

Two player technical fouls on A12 who is now disqualified.
A player technical foul on A55.

Coach is disqualified due to 3 indirects.

Team B starts game with 6 free throws and the ball at the division line opposite table. Arrow set to Team A

All good.

Assistant Coach A takes over the helm for departed Coach A.

My questions are these:
Is Asst. Coach A now the 'head coach' for rules purposes?
Does Asst. Coach A have coaching box privileges?

What do you do if nervous, potentially unaware Asst. Coach A sends (disqualified) A12 to report to the table later in the game?

[Indianaref]

Is Asst. Coach A now the 'head coach' for rules purposes? Not sure
Does Asst. Coach A have coaching box privileges? NO

What do you do if nervous, potentially unaware Asst. Coach A sends (disqualified) A12 to report to the table later in the game? Send A12 back to the bench 10.5.3

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by referee99

Two personal technical fouls on A12 who is now disqualified.
A personal technical foul on A55.

What's a "personal technical foul?"

My questions are these:
Is Asst. Coach A now the 'head coach' for rules purposes?
Does Asst. Coach A have coaching box privileges?

What do you do if nervous, potentially unaware Asst. Coach A sends (disqualified) A12 to report to the table later in the game?

Yes.

No.

If you can get A12 back to the bench, do so. If s/he enters the game, then it's a dircet T on the asst. coach.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Is Asst. Coach A now the 'head coach' for rules purposes? Not sure
Does Asst. Coach A have coaching box privileges? NO

What do you do if nervous, potentially unaware Asst. Coach A sends (disqualified) A12 to report to the table later in the game? Send A12 back to the bench 10.5.3

10.5.3 refers to the Head Coach. Our Asst. Coach is not the head coach, right?
So, by rule there can be no penalty here, even if player A12 makes it onto the floor, due to lack of awareness of his disqualified status.

Only option is to send player back to the bench.

Also, since there is no Head Coach, none of the actions described in 10.5.1 can be undertaken by our Asst. Coach? Specifically, 10.5.1(c) The head coach may stand and/or leave the coaching box to confer with personnel at the scorer's table to requst a time-out as in 5-8-4.

5-8-4 Time out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official: Responds to the scorer's signal to grant a coach's request that a correctable error, as in 2-10, or a timeing, scoring or alternating-possession mistake be prevented or rectified. The appeal to the official shall be presented at the scorer's table where a coach of each team may be present.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

What's a "personal technical foul?"

Due to the miracle of modern technology, that mistake never happened. "Player Technical Foul

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes.

No.

If you can get A12 back to the bench, do so. If s/he enters the game, then it's a direct T on the asst. coach.

This makes a lot more sense. Asst. Coach is now Head Coach with seat belt. In the OP would you talk to Asst. and inform him of seat belt and his status?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by referee99

Due to the miracle of modern technology, that mistake never happened. "Player Technical Foul



This makes a lot more sense. Asst. Coach is now Head Coach with seat belt. In the OP would you talk to Asst. and inform him of seat belt and his status?

Probably.

[deecee]

i hope this didnt happen....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by referee99

10.5.3 refers to the Head Coach. Our Asst. Coach is not the head coach, right?
So, by rule there can be no penalty here, even if player A12 makes it onto the floor, due to lack of awareness of his disqualified status.

Only option is to send player back to the bench.

Also, since there is no Head Coach, none of the actions described in 10.5.1 can be undertaken by our Asst. Coach? Specifically, 10.5.1(c) The head coach may stand and/or leave the coaching box to confer with personnel at the scorer's table to requst a time-out as in 5-8-4.

I disagree. There are too many HC responsibilities to let the game continue without someone to do it.
1. Requesting timeouts from the bench. By your reasoning, it can't be done all game after the OP sitch.
2. Responsibility for the behavior of bench pesonnel. No one to charge an indirect T to when B24 pops off at the end of the bench.
3. Correctible errors. Unless you claim HC's disqualification precludes the team from correcting errors. Personally, I highly doubt this is the Fed's intent.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I disagree. There are too many HC responsibilities to let the game continue without someone to do it.
1. Requesting timeouts from the bench. By your reasoning, it can't be done all game after the OP sitch.
2. Responsibility for the behavior of bench pesonnel. No one to charge an indirect T to when B24 pops off at the end of the bench.
3. Correctible errors. Unless you claim HC's disqualification precludes the team from correcting errors. Personally, I highly doubt this is the Fed's intent.

Good points, although I don't see a problem with #1...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No. (Coaching Box)

I agree, but would like a citaiton please.

[Camron Rust]

There is always a person acting as coach. Anyone else is just bench personnel. When the acting head coach is required to leave the game (DQ'd, injury, sickness, etc.), someone else becomes head coach. The current/acting head coach has all rights and restrictions of the position. Any restrictions imposed (coaching box/seat belt) apply to the position of head coach, not to the person acting as head coach....and, thus, apply to anyone who assumes the head coaching duties.

I cant find anything, but you would think the intent would only allow for 1 coaching box per team, per game. The HC forfeited the assistants right to stand. What if the assistant gets run too? The trainer now acting as HC gets to stand?
Yeah, I could sell that

[mutantducky]

question on hanging on the rim during warmups- I assume same as dunking? Guy not trying to dunk just jumping up and hanging on the rim. T?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

question on hanging on the rim during warmups- I assume same as dunking? Guy not trying to dunk just jumping up and hanging on the rim. T?

Of course. Same rule in the book, iirc.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Quote:

I agree, but would like a citaiton please.

You already have it. You just aren't looking in the right place.

2001-02 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 9: At the end of their pre-game warm-up, players A1, A4, A5, A9 each dunk the ball and subsequently leave the floor and go to their dressing room. RULING: A technical foul is assessed to each player. The game starts with eight (8) free throws (2 for each of the technical fouls) and the ball is awarded to B at the division line opposite the table. Four team fouls toward the bonus are assessed to A. The head coach of A is assessed an indirect technical foul for each offense (4) and is subsequently ejected from the contest. Any coach assuming the responsibilities of the head coach for the game would not have the use of the coaching box. (10-3-5; 10-5 Pen)