Might have kicked it!

[Refsmitty]

Game last night... coming out of a time out team A has the arrow and the throw in. A five second call is made and I'm pretty sure the arrow changed to Team B - incorrect?

If Team A was making a throw in due to a jump ball alternate possesion arrow and had a 5 second violation - is that a change of the arrow?

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

Game last night... coming out of a time out team A has the arrow and the throw in. A five second call is made and I'm pretty sure the arrow changed to Team B - incorrect?

If Team A was making a throw in due to a jump ball alternate possesion arrow and had a 5 second violation - is that a change of the arrow?

When does the arrow switch?

[PIAA REF]

You lose AP Arrow on a violation, so if A was inbounding an AP throw-in and a 5-second violation was called. They would also lose the arrow. B Would have the ball out of bounds and the next AP possession as well.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by PIAA REF

You lose AP Arrow on a violation, so if A was inbounding an AP throw-in and a 5-second violation was called. They would also lose the arrow. B Would have the ball out of bounds and the next AP possession as well.

It's probably semantics, but I prefer to see this as A having "used" their arrow rather than losing it.

[rockchalk jhawk]

Originally Posted by PIAA REF

You lose AP Arrow on a violation, so if A was inbounding an AP throw-in and a 5-second violation was called. They would also lose the arrow. B Would have the ball out of bounds and the next AP possession as well.

Somebody help me out here, but I believe this is incorrect. The arrow switches when the ball is legally touched by a player inbounds. If you have a 5 second violation, there is no legal touching, therefore the arrow does NOT switch, and team A still has posession of the arrow.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

Somebody help me out here, but I believe this is incorrect. The arrow switches when the ball is legally touched by a player inbounds. If you have a 5 second violation, there is no legal touching, therefore the arrow does NOT switch, and team A still has posession of the arrow.

Keep looking. It also changes when the offense violates.

If the defense violates, then the offense will get a new throwin, without the AP, and will keep the AP for its next use.

I believe it's under the definition of when a throwin ends.

[PIAA REF]

You are correct to a point, but if you read further it does say that the Arrow is loss on a violation. Doesn't switch until legally touched on the court BUT you lose it on a violation.

[rockchalk jhawk]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Keep looking. It also changes when the offense violates.

If the defense violates, then the offense will get a new throwin, without the AP, and will keep the AP for its next use.

I believe it's under the definition of when a throwin ends.

Hmm... not that I doubt you, but I dont have any books here at work. Can somebody post a rule reference? Thanks.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

Hmm... not that I doubt you, but I dont have any books here at work. Can somebody post a rule reference? Thanks.

6-4-4

The direction of the possession arrow is reversed immediately after an alternating-possession throw-in ends. An alternating-possession throw-in ends when the throw-in ends or when the throw-in team violates.

[PIAA REF]

I am at work and all I have here is an old book, but it is rule 6 section 4 (alternating possession) art. 5 in the book I have here. I am sure it is just about the same in this years book. ALso I did have the Case book here look on page 51 of the Case book 6.4.5 It gives you the play that you need to look at to understand this.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

Game last night... coming out of a time out team A has the arrow and the throw in. A five second call is made and I'm pretty sure the arrow changed to Team B - incorrect?

Incorrect if the throw-in was not an AP throw-in. (I'm not sure anyone answerd this question.)

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Incorrect if the throw-in was not an AP throw-in. (I'm not sure anyone answerd this question.)

Also incorrect if, instead of a violation, A commits a foul before the ball is inbounded. See 6.4.4 for when to reverse the arrow and 4.42.5 for a definition of when the throw-in ends.