Team Refuses To Come Out After Half Time

[Skarecrow]

Team A, 47, Team B 7...Half Time....Team B doesn't come out after the 3 minutes, and were apparently told at the 3 minute warning....Big discussion in our Board Meeting....What is the correct procedure? Team B had the arrow. Resumption of Play? Put the ball down and start counting? Technical foul? And when do we call the forfeit? Thanks for your help...

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Skarecrow

Team A, 47, Team B 7...Half Time....Team B doesn't come out after the 3 minutes, and were apparently told at the 3 minute warning....Big discussion in our Board Meeting....What is the correct procedure? Team B had the arrow. Resumption of Play? Put the ball down and start counting? Technical foul? And when do we call the forfeit? Thanks for your help...

1. Tell game administration to get someone to the locker room and tell the team to hustle their little behinds onto the court NOW.

2. Assess a technical foul.

3. If there is no sign of the team after the T free throws are over, call the game and go home!

[jdmara]

10-1-5a

Confirm that someone told them at 3 minutes. Access a technical after one minute. Forfeit the game if they do not appear (I would wait another minute)

-Josh

(Edited: correct rule citation is 10-1-5a not 10-5a)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jdmara

10-5a

Confirm that someone told them at 3 minutes. Access a technical after one minute. Forfeit the game if they do not appear (I would wait another minute)

-Josh

Yes, do not forget that the team has one full minute AFTER play is supposed to begin before a team technical foul is warranted.

[cmckenna]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Access a technical after one minute.

Do you need a key for this?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by cmckenna

Do you need a key for this?

Nah, I keep them in my pocket all the time.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by cmckenna

Do you need a key for this?

It's always there, just need to break the glass to get at it. Good catch, btw. I didn't even know I made that flub.

-Josh

[Texas Aggie]

Personally, I don't think I'd "decalre" a forfeit. I'd suspend the game and leave

5-4-1: The R SHALL forfeit ... if a team refuses to play... . The R may also forfeit ... (other situations).

In other words, if they don't come out, its a forfeit no matter what (SHALL). For every other instance, you'd be 100% correct -- suspend and let the others deal with it.

Originally Posted by fiasco

1. Tell game administration to get someone to the locker room and tell the team to hustle their little behinds onto the court NOW.

2. Assess a technical foul.

3. If there is no sign of the team after the T free throws are over, call the game and go home with a full game pay!

Fixed it for ya

[Back In The Saddle]

This came up in our board meeting as well.

The relevant rules:

• Timer is responsible to notify the referee more than three minutes before each half is to start. NFHS 2-4-4, 2-12-1
• Referee is responsible notify or cause the teams to be notified at least three minutes before each half is to start. NFHS 2-12-1
• If a team delays more than one minute the start of either half, it is a team technical foul. NFHS 10-1-5-a
• If the team simply refuses to play, the referee shall declare the game forfeit. 5-4-1

Points brought out:

• Along with getting the arrow reversed at the half, identify who will notify the teams.
• Return to the floor by the 3:00 mark, so if either team has not returned, somebody can be sent to get them.
• Do all you can to prevent the T.
• Obviously a forfeit is a last resort and should be declared only if one team actually refuses to play.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

[*]Obviously a forfeit is a last resort and should be declared only if one team actually refuses to play.[/list]

Personally, I don't think I'd "decalre" a forfeit. I'd suspend the game and leave, but let others (conference administration, for example) determine the outcome. It's entirely possible that there's more to the story that we don't know.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Bob:

BITS's last post of the evening last night was an excellent description of how this situatioin should be handled. As far as possibly suspending the game. Cannot happen. There is no rule support for it.

MTD, Sr.

[Skarecrow]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

This came up in our board meeting as well.

The relevant rules:

• Timer is responsible to notify the referee more than three minutes before each half is to start. NFHS 2-4-4, 2-12-1
• Referee is responsible notify or cause the teams to be notified at least three minutes before each half is to start. NFHS 2-12-1
• If a team delays more than one minute the start of either half, it is a team technical foul. NFHS 10-1-5-a
• If the team simply refuses to play, the referee shall declare the game forfeit. 5-4-1

Points brought out:

• Along with getting the arrow reversed at the half, identify who will notify the teams.
• Return to the floor by the 3:00 mark, so if either team has not returned, somebody can be sent to get them.
• Do all you can to prevent the T.
• Obviously a forfeit is a last resort and should be declared only if one team actually refuses to play.

Rule 7.5.1 indicates that we start with the ROP procedure when a team doesn't provide a thrower after a timeout or the intermission between any quarter (including the start of the 3rd quarter). It is a technical if that team continues to violate...Am I wrong?

I'm thinking 10-1-5(a) trumps 7-5-1

Notice the - for rules & . for case plays

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Skarecrow

Rule 7.5.1 indicates that we start with the ROP procedure when a team doesn't provide a thrower after a timeout or the intermission between any quarter (including the start of the 3rd quarter). It is a technical if that team continues to violate...Am I wrong?

ROP doesn't apply at half-time when the team is refusing to get to the playing area. It applies if they're up from the dressing room, but not getting out onto the court ready to play (still huddling at the bench).