Throwin situation

[hoopguy]

Out of bounds situation where A1 throws the ball in from the sideline. The ball is thrown along the sideline and never crosses the boundary. B1 from inbounds reaches over the boundary 15 feet from A1 and grabs the ball. What is the correct call?

I was asked this by a coach who ran into this situation and I thought the correct call is a violation by B1 but I am not sure.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Out of bounds situation where A1 throws the ball in from the sideline. The ball is thrown along the sideline and never crosses the boundary. B1 from inbounds reaches over the boundary 15 feet from A1 and grabs the ball. What is the correct call?

I was asked this by a coach who ran into this situation and I thought the correct call is a violation by B1 but I am not sure.

There is no call (aka not a violation)

-Josh

[Adam]

B1 may reach across and grab it once it's been released. A2 may not.

[Freddy]

This was a question on our state exam this year. 7-6-2 seems to clarify the previous responses.
We had a posting on or about October 15 which clarified this situation, also.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

B1 may reach across and grab it once it's been released. A2 may not.

I had a long discussion about this tonight. It involved Part II question 70. I referenced 7-6-4 and the difference between a thrower (4-42-1) and a player out of bounds throwing the ball to another player along the endline as in 7-5-7.

At one time, I am pretty sure it was a "delay of game" warning if the defender touched the ball outside the boundary line after it was released by the thrower.

Is it still a warning? What is the citation? Can a defender deflect the pass from a player to a teamate along the endline as in 7-5-7? Is a throw-in free game for defenders once it has been released by the thrower?

Please Help.

[Adam]

7-6-4
"The opponent(s) of the thrower shall not....until the ball has been released on a throwin pass."

IOW, if it's a throwin pass (obvious on a spot throwin), B1 can reach across and grab the ball once it's been thrown.

If it's a pass from one OOB teammate to another during an endline throwin, B1 may not reach across. That is a delay of game incident.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

7-6-4
IOW, if it's a throwin pass (obvious on a spot throwin), B1 can reach across and grab the ball once it's been thrown.

(2) If it's a pass from one OOB teammate to another during an endline throwin, B1 may not reach across. That is a delay of game incident.

Can you cite a rule that makes it legal to to touch the ball after the release or is it the lack of a rule that makes it legal?

In situation (2), how is a defender (or official) to know that the "thrower" is not throwing it to a teammate in the adjacent corner? The different rulings leave me unsure. Again, is there a rule that I can refer to?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

Can you cite a rule that makes it legal to to touch the ball after the release or is it the lack of a rule that makes it legal?

Yes, if there's isn't a rule against it, it's legal. No rule says a player can take 3 steps between each dribble, but it's legal because the restrictions are lifted when he's dribbling. Once the restrictions are gone, they're gone.

Rule 9-2-10 is another reference that says the same thing.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

7-6-4
If it's a pass from one OOB teammate to another during an endline throwin, B1 may not reach across. That is a delay of game incident.

I can't find a rule against this either. I find rules involving a "thrower", but the player that is passing it along his endline is not a "thrower" by definition 4-42-1. The above action doesn't keep the ball from becoming live, that happened when it was at the disposal of the thrower, even though the thrower doesn't have posession of it yet.

I'm sure this will click with me soon. Please bear with me and help me get it. What is the rule that makes the above situation a delay of game?

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

I can't find a rule against this either. I find rules involving a "thrower", but the player that is passing it along his endline is not a "thrower" by definition 4-42-1. The above action doesn't keep the ball from becoming live, that happened when it was at the disposal of the thrower, even though the thrower doesn't have posession of it yet.

I'm sure this will click with me soon. Please bear with me and help me get it. What is the rule that makes the above situation a delay of game?

B1 is not allowed to reach across the plane until the throw in pass is released. A1 passing to A2 along the endline after a made or awarded basket is not a throw in pass. 7-6

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yes, if there's isn't a rule against it, it's legal.

If this principle were correct, we wouldn't need the "god" rule. No rule prohibits pouring olive oil on the floor around your opponents' basket, for example.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

If this principle were correct, we wouldn't need the "god" rule. No rule prohibits pouring olive oil on the floor around your opponents' basket, for example.

Good point, the exceptions to my principal are all "non-basketball" plays, or plays where a team or player gains an advantage not intended by the rules.