Headband or Hair Control Device?

[stosh]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I wouldn't ask the coach. The definition is clear. If it goes around the head (meaning any "diameter" passes through the skull), it's a headband. If it only goes around the hair (defines / forms a pony tail), then it's not.

Bob, I agree with you, but when I put it to my daughter she disagreed and here is why:

She wears a headband around the circumfrence of her head to absorb sweat. She wears prewrap from the top of her head and around her ponytail to keep her bangs out of her eyes. If she move the headband up, it will keep the bangs out of her eyes but it wont absorb the sweat. If she moves the prewrap down, it won't do either! She contends, and I tend to agree with her, that the prewrap is purely hair control. Luckily, I won't be the one making the decision at her games.

(Oh, and no, cutting her bangs is not an option!)

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by grunewar

How about, you need to have the book filled out 10 min early (V and JV)

OK - I know this is changing the topic, but this is simply not true. I could care less if the book is filled out before 10 min., as long as both teams have supplied the scorer with their rosters and starters prior to the 10 min. mark...just a pet peeve. We now return you to the stimulating discussion of what constitutes going "around" the head.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by stosh

Bob, I agree with you, but when I put it to my daughter she disagreed and here is why:

She wears a headband around the circumfrence of her head to absorb sweat. She wears prewrap from the top of her head and around her ponytail to keep her bangs out of her eyes. If she move the headband up, it will keep the bangs out of her eyes but it wont absorb the sweat. If she moves the prewrap down, it won't do either! She contends, and I tend to agree with her, that the prewrap is purely hair control. Luckily, I won't be the one making the decision at her games.

(Oh, and no, cutting her bangs is not an option!)

No matter what else it does or doesn't do, if it goes around her head, it is a headband.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by stosh

Bob, I agree with you, but when I put it to my daughter she disagreed and here is why:

She wears a headband around the circumfrence of her head to absorb sweat. She wears prewrap from the top of her head and around her ponytail to keep her bangs out of her eyes. If she move the headband up, it will keep the bangs out of her eyes but it wont absorb the sweat. If she moves the prewrap down, it won't do either! She contends, and I tend to agree with her, that the prewrap is purely hair control. Luckily, I won't be the one making the decision at her games.

(Oh, and no, cutting her bangs is not an option!)

They are both headbands. One is also a sweatband. See Ceasers' Ghost post above.

The rule isn't "sweatbands can be any color".

And, I don't think the pre-wrap goes "around her ponytail." I think it goes "under" her ponytail.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I could care less if the book is filled out before 10 minutes, as long as both teams have supplied the scorer with their rosters and starters prior to the 10 minute mark.

You're correct. You don't have to care if the scorebook is filled in before the ten minute mark. This is a common myth. The rules say so:

NFHS 10-1: A team shall not fail to supply the scorer with the name and number of each team member who may participate and designate the five starting players at least 10 minutes before the scheduled starting time.

[cdaref]

We talked about this tonite at a rules meeting. AGAIN. The commish urged us all to be consistent and to enforce the rules.

Frankly, I dont get it. This isnt hard. Its probably the easiest thing we can do. Its during warm ups while we are just standing there. No game action. The rules are clear. The new colors arent confusing. Headband vs. hair control device is simple. The uniform rules are really not that hard.

Why is there this huge contingent that doesnt want to enforce this stuff? I'll agree, I'd rather not have to worry about some of this stuff. But for goodness sake, know the rule and apply the rule. Consistently. Its just not that hard.

I mean, here we have the OP talking about black like you cant have a black headband when at home. Or someone being confused about prewrap when prewrap is specifically mentioned.

Maybe I am just dense. But this stuff is easy. Why can't we all just go out and get this right? At the varsity level at least, for goodness sake.

[cdaref]

Originally Posted by refnrev

Interested in your opinions. Girls HS V game. Home player is wearing a Reebok item on her head. It is about 3/8" thick, is black and has the word Reebok imprinted in white. It does go all the way around the head, however does not go on forehead, but from top of the head around and behind the pony tail. What do you classify this as? Head band? Hair conrol device? Partner who was R and I disagreed on the matter, but he was R so I shut up and listened. What say you?
PS. I still hate being the fashion police.

Again, this is simple. Presuming it other wise meets size and logo restrictions not detailed here. Its clearly a headband. Going over the forehead is irrelevant. This is a no brainer.

I just dont get why really great officials who can discuss chapter and verse about the most obscure rules dont seem to even want to bother to learn or enforce the uniform rules. (not specifically directed at the original poster, just using this as an example and point of discussion).

PS--get ready for the sock rule next year

[BillyMac]

Headbands and wristbands:
Home: White, black, or beige.
Visitors: White, black, beige, or color of jersey.
Everyone on the team who wears such equipment must wear the same color.
No color restrictions on hair control devices, i.e. ponytail holders.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Headbands and wristbands:
Home: White, black, or beige.
Visitors: White, black, beige, or color of jersey.
Everyone on the team who wears such equipment must wear the same color.
No color restrictions on hair control devices, i.e. ponytail holders.

Yup, easy as pie!!!!!!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Headbands and wristbands:
Home: White, black, or beige.
Visitors: White, black, beige, or color of jersey.
Everyone on the team who wears such equipment must wear the same color.
No color restrictions on hair control devices, i.e. ponytail holders.

Even simpler...

Home or Visitor...White, black, beige, or color of jersey.

No need to distinguish Home/Visitor just because "color of jersey" is equivalent to "white" for the home team. Keep it simple.

[Back In The Saddle]

I liked the previous rule. If anybody from the H team ever asked, the answer was always: You can wear either white, white, or white.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by stosh

Bob, I agree with you, but when I put it to my daughter she disagreed and here is why:

She wears a headband around the circumfrence of her head to absorb sweat. She wears prewrap from the top of her head and around her ponytail to keep her bangs out of her eyes. If she move the headband up, it will keep the bangs out of her eyes but it wont absorb the sweat. If she moves the prewrap down, it won't do either! She contends, and I tend to agree with her, that the prewrap is purely hair control. Luckily, I won't be the one making the decision at her games.

(Oh, and no, cutting her bangs is not an option!)

Ask your daughter to locate the crown of her head.

3-5-3b. A headband is any item that goes around the entire head. If worn, only one
headband is permitted, it must be worn on the forehead/crown, it must be
nonabrasive and unadorned, and it must be a maximum of 2 inches.

[BillyMac]

Hair-Control Devices and Headbands Clarified (11/16/06)
There have been numerous questions recently relating to the legality of certain hair-control devices. Players may wear rubber bands, scrunchies, pre wrap and narrow, multi-colored elastic bands to hold their hair back (3-5-3d). These items are not considered headbands (3-5-3a) and therefore do not fall under the new headband rule. These items do not have to be the same color
as the uniform or white, they can be of any color, they do not have to be a single color and they are not subject to the logo restrictions in 3-6.

Further, a ribbon worn in addition to a hair-control device is considered to be a head decoration, and is prohibited (3-5-3e). If a ribbon is being worn as a hair-control device, it would be permitted provided it is not judged to be dangerous or inappropriate by the referee (3-5-1).

(Please note date)